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Colman on the sickest heater of a life time? Colman on the sickest heater of a life time?

09-04-2014 , 05:10 PM
Really happy he shipped it. What a fkg beast !
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09-04-2014 , 05:33 PM
Congrats to Colman, what a sick 2014. Hopefully he had enough of himself in the high dollar tourneys to really pocket a lot of $ this year.
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09-04-2014 , 05:42 PM
He is living someone's dreams right now. Must be doing something right, his results speak for themselves. Nice work kid.
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09-04-2014 , 05:57 PM
Good on Colman... knows his opponents' tendencies very well.
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09-04-2014 , 06:45 PM
I guess if you have zero clue how things operate in the USA, you cannot understand why people like me do not want some chump all over the headlines blasting the game. Can you people talking **** to me even understand that? Too complex?
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09-04-2014 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 5=2+2
At least he didn't behave like Sam Trickett after he ran like God for a while.

That video on youtube about Trickett and the First One Drop really shows him to be a cocky douche imo

At least this Colman guy is showing a bit of class.
I never thought Trickett came across as cocky. He was doing a video for his sponsor so he may have spoke a good game but he seems like a decent bloke tbf.

Colman is a beast and good luck to him.
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09-04-2014 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bptuneman
Please dont compare this bag of **** to someone who respects and loves the sport they play.
Sport? What sport?
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09-05-2014 , 12:08 AM
yeah, he's probably even more depressed now...

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09-05-2014 , 01:19 AM
Yes.
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09-05-2014 , 04:50 AM
Without reading colmans interview for one drop, I at first just going off some of the posts in this thread saying colman talked **** about poker and it pissed me off, but after reading his interview, I have a lot to say.

First his interview:

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I really don’t owe anyone an explanation but Ill give one…
First off, I don’t owe poker a single thing. I’ve been fortunate enough to benefit financially from this game, but I have played it long enough to see the ugly side of this world. It is not a game where the pros are always happy and living a fulfilling life. To have a job where you are at the mercy of variance can be insanely stressful and can lead to a lot of unhealthy habits. I would never in a million years recommend for someone to try and make it as a poker pro.
It is also not a game where the amateurs are always happy to be losing their money for the sake of entertainment. The losers lose way more money at this game then winners are winning. A lot of this is money they cant afford to lose. This is fine of course because if someone is dumb enough to gamble with money they cant afford to lose, that’s their problem. Im not really buying that though. In a perfect world, markets are based on informed consumers making rational transactions. In reality sadly that’s not the case, markets are based on advertising trying to play on peoples impulses and targeting their weaknesses in order for them to make irrational decisions. I get it if someone wants to go and play poker on their own free will, but I don’t agree with gambling being advertised just like I don’t agree with cigarettes and alcohol being advertised.
It bothers me that people care so much about poker’s well being. As poker is a game that has such a net negative effect on the people playing it. Both financially and emotionally.
As for promoting myself, I feel that individual achievements should rarely be celebrated. I am not going to take part in it for others and I wouldn’t want it for myself. If you wonder why our society is so infatuated by individuals and their success, and being a baller, it is not that way for no reason. It is their because it serves a clear purpose. If you get people to look up to someone and adhere to the “gain wealth, forget all but self” motto, then you can get them to ignore the social contract which is very good for power systems. Also it serves as a means of distraction to get people to not pay attention to the things that do matter.
These are just my personal views. And yes, I realize I am conflicted. I capitalize off this game that targets peoples weaknesses. I do enjoy it, I love the strategy part of it, but I do see it as a very dark game.
I actually think he has a lot of valid points. I like how he points out we ( the west ) has a culture that idolizes the individual and their achievement, ignoring many other factors, such as others help and luck.

Poker is indeed extremely hard on the pysche if you're trying to do it for a living. Whethers it's days, week and months of variance or preying on weak people who need help, it can be very hard mentally, emotionally and physically. Colman is one of the people who knows this best as he has played millions of hands and put in tens of thousands of hours.

I like that he's bringing other issues. I think the real irony in people hating on colman is that if colman had his way, we would have a lot healthier of a culture and poker wouldn't be banned because a few people whom wield all the money and power, and we're too fragmented and weak as a populace to do anything.

He's pointing at the bigger issues. We don't need some "NFL/sports puppet", towing the company line, otherwise it will just be Vegas, a bunch of casinos in other states without gaming commissions, and online poker being banned in the USA.

I get the impression from some of you if we just made poker to be a bed of roses, and we sit, bark and rollover at the corporate hand, poker would be legal in no time.

We need radically new ways of approaching things. The coming automation is going to put hundreds of millions out of jobs and our current way of decay and atrophy will not work. Our two party system is corrupt, we can write letters and send money for decades and nothing gets done or it changes for too slowly.
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09-05-2014 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bptuneman
I guess if you have zero clue how things operate in the USA, you cannot understand why people like me do not want some chump all over the headlines blasting the game. Can you people talking **** to me even understand that? Too complex?
You're a prize tool. Maybe you're autistic too.

yes i'm sure most people can understand your view point perfectly well - it's not a complex one, it's all about your own self-interest, and nothing else.

The view that DC and many others in this thread hold relates to the greater good. whilst it may not suit you personally, the reality is that poker affects many more people negatively than it does positively. and this will only ever increase now.

never sure how the stats are worked out or whether they are remotely accurate, but the typically quoted range is what, ~25% to as low as 5% being winners at the game? sure, there is a lot of recreational play that goes on, but the promotion of the game to a younger audience is a very dangerous thing - there are many more people who have seriously damaged, if not outright ruined, their prospects chasing the poker dream than there are successful grinders.

DC is spot on with his position, and shows big character to be OBJECTIVE about it when it he personally has a huge amount to gain financially and fame-wise by being a big advocate of the game.

I'm not actually saying i agree with DC completely - i think there is a middle ground here, and that a better message would be that playing poker can be fun and even financially rewarding on a recreational level, but jut be extremely careful if considering taking it further than that.

All i am really saying is that you, bptuneman, are an idiot.
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09-05-2014 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bptuneman
I guess if you have zero clue how things operate in the USA, you cannot understand why people like me do not want some chump all over the headlines blasting the game. Can you people talking **** to me even understand that? Too complex?
You probably should do something with all that frustation in you..
Wouw, just scrolled through this topic seeing you going full ******.
I don't think this is the way to make ur point....
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09-05-2014 , 09:46 AM
Poker, like any other drug, can be enjoyed responsibly. Most losing players don't become massive degens who blow off their life savings, they lose a little extra spending money that they can afford and move on with their lives.
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09-05-2014 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
The "problem" with Colman's heater is that if he goes on long enough to draw Main Stream Media attention (like winning One Drop again) you know the headlines will be "Greatest Poker Player of All-Time Hates Game/Thinks Poker Hurts Society"

And that ... is bad for the game.
All of this 'bad for the game' stuff seems to revolve around the 'good for the game' line of thinking that pumping the game up to attract more bad players who bring in more revenue is the end goal.

I think Colman's anti-hero status is atleast a nice break from the boiler plate enthusiasm that eventually looks like BS (watching WPT broadcasts is like going to a state fair). Maybe his take on things is a sobering break from the sideshow caller's who try and make poker seem like a family game that's fun for all. The reality is that its interesting and fun, but not easy or profitable unless you know what you're doing.

As I love poker, I'm more interested in someone who performs optimally and with a broader philosophical purview than someone who is constantly towing the marketing line, which seems desperate and more about keeping the level of the game low enough to win. In Colman's case, he's just playing on another level, and that's awesome to see.

Hats off to him.
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09-05-2014 , 02:20 PM
Not to mention that 'good for the game' in this political climate has alot to do with proving to the average person that it's a game of skill, which Colman is demonstrating in the most emphatic way to date.

So, yes, sickest heater of a lifetime AND good for the game.
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09-05-2014 , 05:57 PM
A poker player that hates poker cleaning up? I'm ecstatic!
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09-07-2014 , 07:03 AM
Wow, this Dan Colman guy is quite the ass-hat. Can't believe people actually think what this guy says is meaningful, or insightful, or even honest. It's the ramblings of an arrogant twenty something who has zero life experience and no understanding of fundamental principles. Just listen to his opening statement:

“I really don't owe anyone an explanation but ill give one...”

That's how you respond an interview request? How bout' a polite answer such as “No thanks” like a normal, non-douchey human.

“I get it if someone wants to go and play poker on their own free will, but I don’t agree with gambling being advertised just like I don’t agree with cigarettes and alcohol being advertised.”

So you don't believe in a free market? You don't believe in people making their own decisions and taking responsibility for their actions? You believe the government should intervene and stick guns in peoples faces to make sure they don't advertise cigarettes or alcohol? Makes sense.

“If you get people to look up to someone and adhere to the “gain wealth, forget all but self” motto, then you can get them to ignore the social contract which is very good for power systems.”

You know what else is “very good for power systems”, people like you with twisted ideologies who like to tell people what to think, and what to do.

“Also it serves as a means of distraction to get people to not pay attention to the things that do matter.”

“Things that do matter”? Oh please, Dan, enlighten me. For you to infer on a subjective value like “things that matter” shows some whopping arrogance and naivety. Unbelievable.

I could go on, its just so troubling that people could possibly think this guy has something important to say. He's an amazing poker player, nobody can doubt that at this point, but he knows absolute jack about life. His tirade sounds like the rantings of a brainwashed Marxist fresh out of the American college system. He's like that 23-year-old punk behind the Starbuck's counter who thinks he's above his job. Let's try not to take people like that too seriously.
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09-07-2014 , 07:26 AM
lol shuffl thats one of the worst argumentation ive red in a long time. you try to counter things coleman said by saying things that have nothing to do with them but please, go on
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09-07-2014 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shuffl
He's like that 23-year-old punk behind the Starbuck's counter who thinks he's above his job. Let's try not to take people like that too seriously.
yeah let's lool u dont consider yourself better than your job? Lol then u'r a very limited person. U clearly r one of those people who always had everything on a platter, u dont know what poverty is or else u'd never speak like that.

Yes indeed someone like you could never grasp what he meant.

P.S: I also think he didnt meant what he wrote, but that doesnt make it less right.
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09-07-2014 , 02:03 PM
To all the people who are dumping on Colman for stating his opinion on what gambling does to society etc... How would you feel if your daughter married a pro gambler?

Much like cigs and booze the net effect of gambling isn't good for society and almost anyone can agree with that... That doesn't mean it should be removed but there should be strong regulation on all of these activities.
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09-07-2014 , 02:05 PM
Assuming he had a proven track record and was responsible with money I don't see why not - that's a pretty insulting thing to say to most of us sect, my girlfriends parents love me because i'm not an irresponsible douchebag like most of the guys she dated before me, none of whom were professional gamblers and while it's true that a lot of professional poker players are degens not all of us are by any means

Back on topic, Colman is a terrible ambassador for the game, he's obviously great at poker and good for him, i'm sure he's a nice guy, but people are entitled to cheer against him becoming 'the best player in the world' because of his attitude (i'm inclined to myself)

Last edited by SwoopAE; 09-07-2014 at 02:18 PM.
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09-07-2014 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
He was fortunate in which events he happened to run hot in. However, in reality he hasn't done anything that everyone else here hasn't already done. He's most likely a breakeven player at best.
For a guy who has racked up over 2k posts in less than 9 months you have suprisingly little idea of whats going on. Well, you and a bunch of other guys who just echo "i hate this guy" repeating some silly arguments...

There arr a million things worse for the game that will actually wreck more havock down the road and you pick on a guy who refused to promote this -not always so stellar- industry?
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09-07-2014 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
To all the people who are dumping on Colman for stating his opinion on what gambling does to society etc... How would you feel if your daughter married a pro gambler?

Much like cigs and booze the net effect of gambling isn't good for society and almost anyone can agree with that... That doesn't mean it should be removed but there should be strong regulation on all of these activities.
How do you regulate such things as alcohol, cigarettes, and gambling? I'll tell you how, people with guns FORCING others to comply with regulation. Tell me how that is good for society.
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09-07-2014 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by f0ld44
lol shuffl thats one of the worst argumentation ive red in a long time. you try to counter things coleman said by saying things that have nothing to do with them but please, go on
Saying I have the "worst argumentation" while not stating any counter arguments yourself is pure irony. Well done.
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09-07-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by shuffl
How do you regulate such things as alcohol, cigarettes, and gambling? I'll tell you how, people with guns FORCING others to comply with regulation. Tell me how that is good for society.
And how do u punish people who murder people?... through guns and government... wtf is your point.

You think 7 years olds should smoke cigarettes? It's laws that are enforced by people with guns who try to stop this.
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