Josem's comments in this thread do go against the grain,but "fu" is a bit harsh.

The guy has a ****load of cred around here.

That someone should have been joker stars...like yesterday, if there was a will.
But whatever, I quit stars anyway.
Played for almost 8 years there.
bah

Wearing my 'PokerStars' hat, I did contact the photographer. Unfortunately, there does not appear to be much further available information to identify the people in the photo. If anyone else has any further assistance, please do share it.

Maybe that F U did accomplish something after all.
So I can retract it now.
Go Go PPP.

yeah but the middle one looks like Full Tilt

your join date says 2004 but it reads like 2009

1,2,3

1. Moneymaker (fat head evidence)
2. Gus (ears evidence)
3. Benyamine (ldo)

If they cheated they would do it in this room obv!

pretty obvious to me its a shot from a meeting of the three amigos (of course in disguise):

brian hastings, cole south, brian townsend.

i must say that hastings disguise is top notch. his ability to hide his gingersnaps should not go unnoticed. accordingly, south went with the more fast line approach with ginger cap hide. note his hair color blends well with the affixed orange cap. and of course, townsend didnt even try to conceal his id.

And seat 8 is betting in both of them (the two first)

Yes, and the chat reads "that is my child" in all of them.

Don't be silly, you can't extract information from the highlights over the chatbox in the second photo. Highlights contain no information

are you guys honestly surprised that internet poker isn't on the up and up.


people cheat all the time get used to it.


theres nothing you can do to change it and it will be around forever and it will cost you money probably alot of it over the course of your lifetime.


of course these guys are colluding.


why the hell else would they pack up 8 laptops and head out to a borders to play poker? because thats the easiest place to pull it off.


anyone who thinks these guys are just sitting there playing legit poker on the up and up is a damned fool.

Photographer failed, she should have got close enough to read screen names, or struck up a conversation.

3 players and 6 laptops. Rumour has it they colluded on a 6 max table, pooled their money and never lost a hand.

Some of you guys are kidding right? 7 computers, 3 guys and people are actually doubting that something untoward is going on? Unreal. As for the 'why would they do it at borders' etc, have you guys been in a poker environment before? Its not exactly a neuroscience convention, scum isnt always intelligent, thats why prisons are overflowing. Get with it guys

pretty obvious imo

Other's have made similar observations but I thought I'd throw in my take on it as well.

Here are tables from laptops 1 and 3. I tried to sharpen the images and adjust the contrast to bring out the details a little bit. I also fixed the perspective.


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Assuming the players aren't using the preferred seat feature it looks a whole lot like the same table.

Both tables appear to have the same number of players and the betting and button appears to be the same. Laptop 3 isn't very clear but there seems to be a lot of similarities.

Seat 9 is the button, 10 is the SB, 1 is the BB. These three players apear to have chips in front of them.

Player 1 is UTG and decided to play his hand. Looks like he has at least 1 face card.

Player in seat 8 looks like he raised over UTG as there are chips in front of him and the auto action checkboxes appear on the bottom right of player 1's screen.

Seats 4,5 and 7 appear to have folded.

On the laptop1 table action seems to be on the BB since his seat is highlighted but I can't see the same on laptop3. It might be because the image is bad and there's a lot of glare on the screen or the different theme or maybe they don't all blink at the same time.

Laptop 3 appears to be using the Slick Light theme (maybe with a different background?) and the highlights on that are pretty subtle.

Laptop 1 looks like it's using some sort of variation of hyper simple.

Laptop 5 is partially obscured and much smaller but it appears as if seats 1, 2, 4 and 5 are seated just as in laptops 1 and 3.

It would be nice if somehow PokerStars could use the time, location and information available in the photos to try and track down who these players are and find out what's really going on because this seems very suspicious and there has been a lot of collussion in the DoNs which this could certainly be. It could also be a fixed limit table as those are 10 seats as well and I understand collusion could be a problem there as well. Most likely a DoN since the seats are empty instead of having the empty seat place holder that are found in cash games.

PokerStars seems to be pretty good about identifying cheats so maybe they'll come up with something. Maybe they can filter all the DoNs played around that time (LV time?) where seats 3,6 and 7 were knocked out, UTG bet or raised and seat 8 raised UTG's bet or raise and UTG had at least one face card. That should narrow it down a bit. Then see if UTG seems to play with the same 2 people often.

A bit disappointing that a poker journalist couldn't do better than this one snapshot. Could have at least walked up behind them to take a better shot pretending to take a photo of the performer. This is the same chick that complained on Twitter that final tablists of one sunday million were inconsiderate of the poker media because they kept asking for deal numbers every hand or something like that so she had to stay up late right?

Between some jokes, VP$IP did suggest the obvious. If someone from this thread goes to that Borders, uses the wifi, logs into Pokerstars, and PM's you their account name and the time they logged on, can you do anything with that information?

That should lead you to at least one account from the picture. Find out what they were playing at that time. See who else was playing and find linked accounts, suspicious hands, etc.

A sidenote for the tech guys, how easy is it to recognize an IP used by the cellular/air cards? For example, say there are 9 players at a table. Seven are using "normal" internet connections (high-speed/wi-fi) and two are using air cards/cell phone type connections. Is there an easy way to tell the seven from the two?

I don't know what percent of online players connect with those cards, but I would guess it's pretty small. If three or more air card players are at the same table, it should be a HUGE flag for collusion.

Yes. I can provide further assistance.

Determine the IP addresses of the wireless routers that can be accessed from that Border's. Filter the PS login files on that date for those addresses. That will give you at least one of the accounts. The other accounts will be playing on the same table using wireless air cards.

Contact Las Vegas Town Square security immediately. Parking there is in multilevel garages, with excellent video surveillance. For a modest "professional courtesy" ($100-$200) between security professionals you will have the license number of the vehicle(s) that these three players arrived in. The name of the registered owner is easily obtainable from that. Do not delay this step. The video is not kept forever.

Nice work. I can even see the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

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So you are saying those dudes in the picture are not cheating?

If it looks like this, it is called cheating.



But if it looks like this,



it is called
Either way, it is unbeatable.