Cliff notes of the 'Portuguese Poker Prodigy' Jose "Girah" Macedo scam - Page 8 - Poker News

I dunno. Hes obviously mocking rangey's application of "Ockham's" razor. In doing so he presents one relatively simple scenario, and one incredibly (again relatively) convoluted one

08-07-2011 , 08:50 PM

#178

Joseph Hewes

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Gregorio was mocking conspiracy theorists.

08-07-2011 , 08:51 PM

#179

therealwinner

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read through the whole chat log and.
he is the failed poker version of Frank Abagnale, just a true con man nothing els to him as simple as that a con man. and a very bad one at that his skype convo were laughable, my 14 year old brother could lie better than that for **** sake,
and as for crying on the phone and using his mother as emotinal blackmail he needs to man the **** up.
he will likley get away with it law wise he will be rightly shunned from poker but imo thats a very small price to pay and lucky escpae for him i hope he get sent down.

FWIW Frank Abagnale historical legend and huge hero of mine.
jose biggest scum bag ever hope he get punished .

08-07-2011 , 08:51 PM

#180

quid pro quo

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would be really interested in the chat log where haseeb tries to bribe you mossboss,the thread would then be complete..

08-07-2011 , 08:52 PM

#181

MonsterJMcgee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

After reading gregorio's post, a Very respected self banned mod, for those that don't know him (I'll post it again because I think it's significant) I'm starting to go with my gut that Girah may have been a pawn in a much bigger scam.

I wouldn't be surprised if he acted on his own with regards to what was revealed today but the writing is on the wall that there's a lot more to this story than just him scamming some people out of 45K

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1540

Dude, gregorio was satirizing Jose's skeptics! That post is entirely sarcastic and meant to point out how absurd it was to question Jose's authenticity (gregorio was obviously wrong). That post you're linking is not at all relevant to anything.

08-07-2011 , 08:52 PM

#182

Gazillion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

[8/4/2011 10:58:50 AM] DOG: but here's the bottom line, i spoke to jose and nick and nick told me all of the evidence, and jose of course denied any and all allegations
[8/4/2011 10:58:54 AM] DOG: well listen
[8/4/2011 10:59:20 AM] DOG: after i got off the phone with them we agreed that we'd need to look at HH's for conclusive proof since it'd pretty much confirm or deny any superusing claims
[8/4/2011 10:59:26 AM] DOG: cuz jose siad he could get them
[8/4/2011 10:59:42 AM] DOG: after i get off the phone, i talk to jose privately and confront him, because i felt like the evidence against him was pretty strong
[8/4/2011 11:00:03 AM] DOG: and after some strongarming, he confesses to the cheating and starts crying and ****
[8/4/2011 11:00:21 AM] DOG: now obviously i'm telling you guys this in confidence and this should not be leaving this skype chat until everything is resolved
[8/4/2011 11:01:03 AM] DOG: but basically he admitted to the cheating. he gave me some details about it but i cuoldn't get a lot out of him because he was acting pretty delirious

TC1, in terms of timeline, did this chat occur before or after DIH's stipulation that if any of this were to go public then the extra money would not be made available to the group?

08-07-2011 , 08:54 PM

#183

MonsterJMcgee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pbowenroe

This may be going over my head, but isn't Gregorio, in this post, using Occams' Razor to suggest that the 1st scenario was more likely?

I am kind of getting a sarcastic tone from his description of the second scenario.... I could have completely misinterpreted it tho

This is correct

08-07-2011 , 08:54 PM

#184

JacknCoke56

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Why did Gregorio ban himself?

08-07-2011 , 08:54 PM

#185

lm91

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

Regarding that quoted post by Gregorio, am I the only person that interpreted that post as Greg suggesting that scenario #1 was the much more likely reality, and that the much more complex option #2 was laced with ironic overtones that most people now are misinterpreting as canny foresight?

Exactly.

08-07-2011 , 08:55 PM

#186

2DMB2LIV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

Jose contacted me first, and he said he had a confession (I believed what tipped him off what the fact that dollarman account was under investigation by merge and they requested documents). We had that long chat convo that was posted. Then Haseeb and Jose called me on skype and Haseeb was filled in as to what was going on. Haseeb seemed to not have a clue as to what was going on with this. Then the following day Haseeb told us that after our skype call he pressed Jose for more information because he felt the evidence against him was pretty bad. Jose then broke down and admitted to Haseeb there was cheating.

h/o I'll get chat logs.

[8/4/2011 10:58:50 AM] DOG: but here's the bottom line, i spoke to jose and nick and nick told me all of the evidence, and jose of course denied any and all allegations
[8/4/2011 10:58:54 AM] DOG: well listen
[8/4/2011 10:59:20 AM] DOG: after i got off the phone with them we agreed that we'd need to look at HH's for conclusive proof since it'd pretty much confirm or deny any superusing claims
[8/4/2011 10:59:26 AM] DOG: cuz jose siad he could get them
[8/4/2011 10:59:42 AM] DOG: after i get off the phone, i talk to jose privately and confront him, because i felt like the evidence against him was pretty strong
[8/4/2011 11:00:03 AM] DOG: and after some strongarming, he confesses to the cheating and starts crying and ****
[8/4/2011 11:00:21 AM] DOG: now obviously i'm telling you guys this in confidence and this should not be leaving this skype chat until everything is resolved
[8/4/2011 11:01:03 AM] DOG: but basically he admitted to the cheating. he gave me some details about it but i cuoldn't get a lot out of him because he was acting pretty delirious

Thanks for posting this and the other chat logs, but could we please get all of Dog's chat as well as JM's if they exist?

I feel that at this point DIH is clearly the number one suspect for big time scamming by far.
At the very least, we have account sharing and trying to bury the whole situation to save his rep....and that's best case scenario.

Edit: And yes, Gregorio was 100% mocking conspiracy theorists in his post, ainec.

08-07-2011 , 08:55 PM

#187

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JacknCoke56

Why did Gregorio ban himself?

He felt Mason was whoring out the whole of 2p2 for politcal gain. He quit because his conscience demanded it. I for one have a ton of respect for him for it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...56/?highlight=

08-07-2011 , 08:56 PM

#188

Termiraker

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I think Jose is 20 y o

08-07-2011 , 08:56 PM

#189

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charmer

I dunno. Hes obviously mocking rangey's application of "Ockham's" razor. In doing so he presents one relatively simple scenario, and one incredibly (again relatively) convoluted one

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee

Occam's Razor suggests none of you have a clue what he meant and I'm guessing neither did he.

08-07-2011 , 08:57 PM

#190

Priapus1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

He felt Mason was whoring out the whole of 2p2 for politcal gain. He quit because his conscience demanded it. I for one have a ton of respect for him for it.

Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Huge props to Greg for making that decision.

08-07-2011 , 08:58 PM

#191

Gazillion

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Suzzer, you're allowed to drop the Occam's nitting any time you like....

08-07-2011 , 08:58 PM

#192

Gus Spangles

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limon,

i agree i think dogishead is a liar and a greasy fk slimeball

all,

can you please post more chat logs with dogishead over this incident? my bs meter is going through the roof on this

08-07-2011 , 08:58 PM

#193

caseycjc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee

Amazing how spot on Greg might have been in his satire, it's almost like he had a crystal ball.

08-07-2011 , 09:00 PM

#194

SGT RJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazillion

No, that was my first thought as well.

08-07-2011 , 09:00 PM

#195

Omaha4life

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****loads of idiots making poker an even more rotten reputation.

08-07-2011 , 09:00 PM

#196

2WordSuckIt

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I suppose its clear to everyone that Jose does not possess the skill or thinking level required to succeed at HSNL.
It became clear to those who exposed him, as I am sure it was clear to other students as well.
That being said, are we to believe he duped DIH and Jungleman too? That somehow he was able to feign his poker ability while hanging around elite players?
So even if they werent in on this specific scam, these guys knew he was a liar and fraud, and proceeded to allow him to continue his charade and steal students money.

Thoughts...

08-07-2011 , 09:02 PM

#197

GoBackToGo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBackToGo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKahq...mbedded#at=112

this part got me thinking:

"what benefit do you see from living with these guys?"
"ah well, im not sure how to answer that question (,) honestly"

am i reading something into it, that isnt there?

08-07-2011 , 09:03 PM

#198

nuxxx

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anyone capable of this is pure scum

oh and btw, the original thread with all the accusations, well played.

08-07-2011 , 09:04 PM

#199

Charmer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Occam's Razor suggests none of you have a clue what he meant and I'm guessing neither did he.

As I understand,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

when faced with competing hypotheses that are equal in other respects, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions is generally recommended

which is fine given gregorio's juxtaposition of 2 hypotheses, one relatively simple and one that introduces several new assumptions.

derail is pointless though, feel free to pm me explaining the error in my thinking