If you and the lendor/lendee have a close personal relationship, I can see it being okay. I've had agreements multiple times with a friend where one stakes the other or we agree to share winnings. But we also definitely do NOT softplay each other, as we are both uber competitive and don't care about the +EV for playing against each other (there's usually a last longer bit included in these agreements that are more than the buyin lol)

Long story short, if you trust the person, go for it. If you don't know them well enough, just say "sorry, I don't know you well enough"

Because buying defunct debt for pennies on the dollar and then collecting even a small percentage of the original Balance isn't a business idea that has been thought of yet >

People who are backed often get cash yes - seen many a German or Russian loading up a travel bag at Rio with 300-400k cash

Pro tip for people people who hit a big score and have investors. Deposit all the money in your bank, then write each investor a check for their share. The paper trail will help a lot in case you get audited.

Germans don't pay taxes on gambling winnings and Russians who carry around half a mill in a duffle bag just pay bribes.

The carrot and stick. A dynamic that exists at all levels of society in both a macro and micro level.

There’s no such thing as trust. There’s mutual self interest.

quick! find chino

He is a born again Christian now and has wiped away his sins and past debts.

Hallelujah and /thread?

Seems he’s now sober, and friends with everyone - all the household name mtt pros he seems cool with, has he paid everyone back? Enjoying following his IG WSOP stories hope it isn’t a grift.

speaking of scum have you all heard about men the masters latest escapades at the wsop?

These people change and right all their wrongs? That would be something.

wow for a second there i was hella confused thinking FTP money was still a thing...

Go on

Short-stacked Brian Smith gets in an all-in pot for his last 4.5 BBs with Men and Steve Foutty each holding AK. Smith rivers a 5 to triple up, while the two larger stacks chop. Between Smith's starting stack plus the dead money, he should have about t15 million, or 15 BB. Smith was celebrating around the table, and by the time he returned to his seat, the tourney was getting ready for a break. That's when he noticed he was about 4 BBs short.

This is where it gets a little weird... the floor consult the security camera footage and determine that Smith was indeed shorted: by t1 million from each player. Poutty and Nguyen give another t1 million to Smith, which still leaves him 2BB short. (I seem to recall hearing that Poutty protested the deduction, but I can't find where I saw that.)

A bystander who captured video of Smith celebrating also caught some other issues: the dealer did not pull Men's chips in for the side pot. But more damning is that he also captured Men pulling some of the pot back toward him before the floor staff comes in to help count out the pots.




Men had both players covered, so it does stand to reason some of his chips will come back his way no matter what. But a) the fact that he starts pulling his chips toward him before the pots are counted is iffy unto itself, and b) the fact that it's Men puts a huge air of stink over the situation.

from the outside looks like he's in a much better spot these days but 0 clue about what debts are still open or not. would be happy for him (and i guess the community in general) if he has truly turned it around.

There's nothing 'confirm' on the street of course .. but he's been chummy with DNegs for quite a few years now and I'm assuming that DNegs wouldn't attach himself to Chino even with just comments unless he felt things in the poker world were 'fine'.

Chino has played very well in the PokerGo studio tournaments but got scalped pretty good in the HSP sessions. Is DNegs rolling him? Who knows, but DNegs is always very talkative with him in the Vlogs and has drafted him in at least the last two WSOP drafts I think. Are the other draft teams avoiding Chino on their teams? Not sure, I didn't watch this year's draft. GL

A guy got shorted 4 mil.
Men is involved.
You don't even need to see the video to know what happened. Scumbag cheater cheated.

The fact he's allowed to play is a joke.

And somehow with video they couldn't get it right. Amazing.

Yeah, I want to see what they saw. For all of the hints, allegations, rumors, speculation, conjecture, and scuttlebutt, I was really hoping we would at last have something definitive on Men.

Incidentally, the controversy is the topic of this video. Haven't watched it, I need to get into a spot where I watch and listen for a bit:



Also, it seems like this entire Men The Master derail should be moved to the WSOP thread.

Just watched the above 22mins into the vid fyi



I dont get how there is a mistake anyways, surely the shorter stack knows how much he had
and surely the 3 rd player knows how much he had, and men had 25.5 mill or something?

surely one of them can do simple maths here. and just see whos got what after the pot is split.

Anyways i think Men nearly apologises in the video, but i kinda also feel it wasnt deliberate or maybe it was who knows.

Not trying to victim blame but dude over-celebrated and trusted a WSOP dealer to "right" the pot. Nguyen knew what he was doing, he's played long enough. There's really nothing else to say. IF video evidence was available, the tournament should've paused, and it should be corrected, imo.

Sure he didn't help but it's like someone going through a bad neighborhood flaunting cash and jewelry. If you have someone robbing them on video you arrest that person even though the victim should have been smarter.

The biggest joke is a known long time cheater being allowed to play in the first place.

I wasn't sure what to think about this incident. Men clearly cheated, but the other guy was happy that he won a pot. Thankfully, after thinking of the victim as someone flaunting jewlery that could be smarter and Men as a robber in a bad neighborhood, I was able to develop an opinion.