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Old 02-13-2018, 04:54 PM   #576
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

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AKA, we have zero security.
Actually it's an infinite tolerance policy. Is there a board if directors for WPN? I'd vote for a new CEO if that were the case. The most professional thing I've seen from Mr. Nagy is the way he dresses.
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Old 02-13-2018, 04:55 PM   #577
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The first frame of this in Joey's vid shows three cards (8c7h9c). Then, the 8d is dealt over or in place of the 7h. In Joey's vid, we don't see the Ks until showdown.

What makes you say that this starts with turn action or that the Ks was visible to the user before we see the showdown? Am I just missing it? Is there another version of this somewhere? Is there audio that I'm not hearing? TIA
Yeah man if you go back to my first post and actually read it you will see that I said it's on the original video which is on Joey's Instagram. You have to listen to the audio. The hero is talking during the video and explains that the board was originally K79. Did you even read my post? I explained all of this and the action that we see starts on the turn card
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:02 PM   #578
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The simple fact that this hand is at all hard to break down goes to the incompetence of this site . . .
I agree that they're clearly incompetent, but I disagree that it's hard to break down. All you have to do is watch the video. It explains itself.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:07 PM   #579
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

This was an mtt i was in last night right before registration ended and is extremely common in many mtts. if you watched the table playout it was very clear the entire table was max tanking and ended with most of them cashing. Until ACR does something, If you play in an mtt right now with less than 300-400 entries, you have to accept 10% of the players cashing are these players colluding.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:18 PM   #580
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

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This was an mtt i was in last night right before registration ended and is extremely common in many mtts. if you watched the table playout it was very clear the entire table was max tanking and ended with most of them cashing. Until ACR does something, If you play in an mtt right now with less than 300-400 entries, you have to accept 10% of the players cashing are these players colluding.
There are at least six players on that table that are colluding and they do it all day long, every day. They register at the last minute and all within 2 or 3 seconds. Malesynchuk is the first one to seat, that is where they should start asking questions.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:19 PM   #581
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I agree that they're clearly incompetent, but I disagree that it's hard to break down. All you have to do is watch the video. It explains itself.
If seeing a 7 turn into a 8 magically is standard on this site now I have to be a Magician to know what cards I'm looking @ on My screen what are You even babbling about . . .
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:22 PM   #582
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If seeing a 7 turn into a 8 magically is standard on this site now I have to be a Magician to know what cards I'm looking @ on My screen WTF like what are You even babbling about . . .
Like i said man it's pretty simple. I never said this was standard anywhere. I actually said it's a terrible glitch that needs to be fixed. However, I wouldn't expect you to know that because if you still don't understand what I'm saying then it's clear you didn't read my initial post on it. Read it. Slowly. I promise you will understand eventually. If not shoot me a message and I'll put it in ding dong terms
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:34 PM   #583
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Like i said man it's pretty simple. I never said this was standard anywhere. I actually said it's a terrible glitch that needs to be fixed. However, I wouldn't expect you to know that because if you still don't understand what I'm saying then it's clear you didn't read my initial post on it. Read it. Slowly. I promise you will understand eventually. If not shoot me a message and I'll put it in ding dong terms
I don't think were that far apart I admit I don't understand cards change from the flop to the turn, then again river, in the middle of the hand, but I agree it's "it's a terrible glitch" last post I will make on this as there is a Whole Universe to Live . . .
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:57 PM   #584
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

A user at another forum claims she/he was banned from ACR for using the Late Registration exploit, but is not admitting to collusion.

I think most players using this strategy are probably explicitly colluding.

But "implicit collusion" - people registering late and timing down because they see that others are doing it and profiting, without communicating directly with those other players - seems possible for at least some players using this trick.

In any case, WPN has created and failed to correct a situation where players are able to cash consistently by just joining late and stalling, which is frustrating and unfair to players trying to play real poker.

https://www.cardschat.com/f10/cheati...67/index3.html
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:00 PM   #585
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:16 PM   #586
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ising-1703886/

This is a thread in the "about the forum" section of 2+2. Basically posters are calling for 2+2 to pull WPN's partnership with 2+2. If you have real info on cheaters of any kind you can post them there. Please post data and experiences but don't post opinions on pure speculation so we don't clutter it. 2+2 mods are monitoring it and responding in the thread to figure what exactly is going on so we shouldn't fill it with rumors and such.
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:18 PM   #587
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:36 PM   #588
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I have some very interesting hand histories to send you. Please PM me on where I can send them.
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:37 PM   #589
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

Another thing to remember, ACR has BY FAR the most new accounts/new regs popping up constantly. You dont see this on stars and other sites.


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Old 02-13-2018, 06:50 PM   #590
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:25 PM   #591
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Chase Thunder Rules! That was great man thanks for the laughs, very well done! Maybe we can get pokergo to stream the match or something.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:32 PM   #592
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https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ising-1703886/

This is a thread in the "about the forum" section of 2+2. Basically posters are calling for 2+2 to pull WPN's partnership with 2+2. If you have real info on cheaters of any kind you can post them there. Please post data and experiences but don't post opinions on pure speculation so we don't clutter it. 2+2 mods are monitoring it and responding in the thread to figure what exactly is going on so we shouldn't fill it with rumors and such.
It would be great to get more feedback in that thread, all the more so if you read what's already been posted before doing so.

But what we don't need is more "real info on cheaters of any kind" posted there - that's what this thread is for. That thread is for discussion of 2+2's relationship with WPN.

TBH, what I think would be most helpful to us, 2+2 members, and WPN, would be a little separation of some of the issues here. For example, the MTT late reg issue seems pretty well established - I think someone with a good handle on it should start a thread in the WPN forum where those who play there but don't find themselves in NVG that often can be made aware of it and give their own feedback - and hopefully WPN can respond and deal with it.

The signal to noise ratio in this thread is pretty poor, which isn't uncommon for NVG threads. I think it's good that this thread is here, but a thread like this is often going to have difficulty getting to the bottom of any one particular issue.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:53 PM   #593
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This one is HD, better quality. Not sure why the first didnt upload correctly.
Also added 2 bloopers on the channel for the lolz
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:56 PM   #594
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:16 PM   #595
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It would be great to get more feedback in that thread, all the more so if you read what's already been posted before doing so.

But what we don't need is more "real info on cheaters of any kind" posted there - that's what this thread is for. That thread is for discussion of 2+2's relationship with WPN.

TBH, what I think would be most helpful to us, 2+2 members, and WPN, would be a little separation of some of the issues here. For example, the MTT late reg issue seems pretty well established - I think someone with a good handle on it should start a thread in the WPN forum where those who play there but don't find themselves in NVG that often can be made aware of it and give their own feedback - and hopefully WPN can respond and deal with it.

The signal to noise ratio in this thread is pretty poor, which isn't uncommon for NVG threads. I think it's good that this thread is here, but a thread like this is often going to have difficulty getting to the bottom of any one particular issue.
Thanks for posting Bobo and filtering what gets posted in that thread better than I could. You have always been awesome and a big help in the internet poker section when I needed back in the day on my old account pre-hacked days.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:17 PM   #596
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Re: Chicago Joey accuses WPN (ACR) of massive botting and cheating, beware?

I think it's better all lumped

when we regs were begging for wpn to do something in small direct threads notmuch came of it.

no matter what we do it seems as if wpn doesn't care anyways so I think the views and post counts are better to help protect future players from being cheated fromwpn allowing an unfair game situation
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:35 PM   #597
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:37 PM   #598
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:24 PM   #600
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I'm very skeptical of this, but I'm interested to hear a case made for it. It is off-topic for this thread, but would you make a new thread to discuss it? (shoot me a PM with the link so I don't miss it).

I'm actually serious, not trolling here.

I think those ITM numbers are impossible for large field MTTs unless you are colluding.

But, it's not just their ITM % that is damning. Did you watch the vid?
Its possible. If you have a mtt with 1000 entrence and 150 itm, you will have an abnormal itm% if you allowed to enter at 152 players left (and stall while others dont).
I watched the videos and dont see evidence of colluding between these guys (but maybe they are) so just tell me what i missed.

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If you're late regging with levels still to play before the bubble and you're only getting 2 or 3 big blinds... I would think the fact that you have such a small percentage of the chips in play would make your ICM prize equity well below your buyin cost in most models.

This really needs it's own thread.
Maybe there are models that i'm unaware of but ICM model says you wrong.

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NO it is advantageous to start at beginning bc you have a bigger stack (more BBs) at the beginning !
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+ u have more time to play more hands to build a big stack
There's probably advantages and disadvantages to both ( reg early or late) but that's kinda off topic.

I'm definitely not trying to defend these guys but all i'm trying to say is if you want to know if someone is colluding in tournament watch if they softplay each other (ex: calling allin vs each other less often than vs other people etc).
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