Just giving an update. I provided some information about some accounts that WPN admitted was "extremely accurate," and those accounts are still playing.


If you care to read, other posters have reported suspected bots months ago and the accounts are still active.

I don't see how me reporting that WPN has taken no action against botters refutes claims that WPN takes no action against botters.

I'll tell you what they plan on doing going forward:

"accused" is missing from your posts, IMO.

I agree that there is a problem there. Zero doubt in my mind. Botting seems to be rampant.

Do you agree that there should be some proof before accounts get suspended? Isn't there a whole other thread on this forum about accounts being suspended with no proof, and how bad that is?

We have an account that has been dragged through the mud for being succesful at some large buy in MTTs and he is somehow guilty and the proof is???? botters late registering and min cashing?? Sitting cash games together with some of his countrymen??? What am I missing?

I think there is no doubt that WPN/ACR needs to do something about the botting and the late registration etc... but to start banning accounts due to someone naming them as a known botter, seems to be too far in the other direction.

such a paradox this entire situation is

in such a tech driven world we can't combat this by tech to detect?

someone answer this for me am I insane or did doyels/wpn have webcams for some cash format years ago?

I am not saying we all need to play poker with a camera on us...well wait or do we?
doesn't all the people who say screw online play live go to a casino? what are all casinos doing while we play hmmm

idk I have a house full of sick people and am stuck in a room with a laptop gonna be a fun day on forums

over under on bans today 2.5
last time this happened I got banned from an earlier childhood learning site arguing what to teach kids first primary or secondary colors...I just think the word primary seems to win the fight but well it didn't

The late reg crash and stall accounts enter at the exact same time and I've yet to see one of the group not show. If they were all individuals, make sense that at least one of them would have something to do one evening. Also, a game they are always crashing all of them failed to show up for yesterday.

There are games later in the day where you see US players doing that, but never the same players en-masse registering at the same time and the same MTTs.

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For one, I didn't name any account here, so I don't know whose name I'm dragging through the mud.

Secondly, I provided proof to WPN, they responded saying the proof is extremely accurate. You can go back in this thread and read the email they sent me. I don't know where you're getting that names are being dragged through the mud with no proof.

I didn't publically mention any account name and I provided proof. I didn't make any claims about 44bars superusing either.



I'm not sure how much further from the mark you can get in regard to what I said.

WPN needs to explain their process in screening these accounts, more than just "we send them captcha and it is fool-proof. If they answer captcha correctly, they must be human." Having the same accounts accused over and over by players doing their own independent research should already raise a ton of red flags. Obviously there is something lacking in the security department/systematic process of going reviewing suspected accounts.

Doing something similar to what PS does with having accused account record themselves playing (in addition to their whole setup to show that there are no other 3rd party programs running on a separate monitor), explain their thought process, and maybe hire a reputable player outside of WPN to review footage to compare vs past play. Just an idea but it may suffice and something needs to change.

C'mon WPN; be proactive, make some moves, people want to love you but you gotta earn the community's trust.

Starting to think we might need to sacrifice something like a chicken or a little lamb

Nothing else seems to be working

I did read this whole thread and the email you posted. I am glad that players like you report suspicious behavior and work to clean it up. I also never said you dragged a name through the mud. You provided accurate information that needs investigating. You did not provide proof of anything, AFAICT.

I also don't see you answering my question, so I won't bother asking it again.

Well said. You would think it would be in WPN/ACR's best interest to address this as well, as these late reg bots are totally skimming money out of the poker economy that should help keep legit players in the game longer. WPN/ACR's lack of action or concern for several years running now is just astounding.

Mucked hands also aren't shown on WPN

I'm not sure how your math is working on this, but more registrations = more rake and/or less overlay from WPN's perspective.

Forced webcams could still be easily cheesed by clever users.
This fact makes me think there's more than meets the eye going on here.

There's a lot of posts of players begging for this to be fixed in the WPN subforum, and all of them fall of deaf ears. I am starting to think there's a very specific reasons they're the only client on the net that doesn't show mucked hands...

Let's say $1k guarantee and $800 in the prize pool. The last second a few bots register for $100 more. Now WPN saves $100 directly by not having to pay it but the other players lose out in value to (winning) bots that then cash out. So not only do you drain the player pool faster so that they don't recirculate that money over and over in rake but you lose the money anyways.

WEBCAM POKERTABLES EVERYWHEREEEE PLS

I really don't need to see a bunch of dude's wangs while playing poker.

Honestly, why not? Just only force the people who grind a lot and are winning.
There are probably more comftorbale solutions (like excluding eastern europeans), but ****, if it gets rid of bots you can gladly watch me play with my junk while grinding.

I'm going to spew in some PLO tonight in honor of Papi.

Phil Nagy has to answer to someone, if you truely want change then thats who needs to be spoken to.

Ill let yall guess who that man is.

George Bush?

50 Cent, he runs New York and ain't nobody sayin nothin

I'm about a dollar, what the **** is 50 Cents?

Thrash370 Said he had no financial interest in this company and constantly deleted my negative post about being fishy. Was watching Joey's video and saw Thrash370 was the promo code. How is it that he has no financial interest...

From the site's perspective, why is it worse to give it out to a "bot" than to a "real player"? If you take your example to the next logical step, winning players (net withdrawers) are bad for a site and losing players (net depositors) are good.

In your example, they lose $200 without the bots and $100 with them. Seems to me that the bot filling up some of that overlay is good, from the site's short term cash perspective. I agree with the reputation taking a hit can cost them a lot more in the long run, but I wonder how many people that play there even consider botting as a thing.