I guess I’m getting old…..

I miss the days where if you didn’t like someone or things they did, you told them to **** off and never spoke to and/or saw them again.


Society now seems so wrapped around following and keeping up with people on social media they hate.


Not belittling Charlie or anyone else. But, tell Doug to go **** himself, and if you believe he’s slandered you, have your attorney send cease and desist orders….and sue for the damage.

Never speak his name or see him again.

If people bring him up, move onto the next topic without discussion.



Don’t spend so much energy on people who are *******s or bring no value/joy to your life.

Thanks Dr Meh.

Galfond is the GOAT.

In one very well written text he gets to take a moral stance, cement himself as the good guy in the poker community while at the same time bring down a competitor to his business. Genius stuff.

My take on the whole situation is that Charlies original Tweet is weird and awkward and when posting stuff like that on the internt there will be backlash and **** flying. But it’s obvious to me that the tweet in no way supports the acts of child molestation.

With that said i think that it’s about time that Doug gets called on his bs. Unlike Galfond my take is that Doug is the definition of a bully. I hate bullies and I hate the world of social media when everything is about clicks and likes and views. I think that the new world run by influensers is pathetic and shallow and that it brings out the worst in people. To grow in that world you need to be loud, you need to be making noice and you need to create drama.. As a result the world of influencers are filled with narcissistic bullies with huge platforms and reach. With that reach and impact in the world you do have a responsibility. These people will never take that responsibility since their entire platform is built from drama and from being a dick. Im just glad that Doug seems to have shifted focus back to poker instead of going more in to politics. There is enough people like him in other areas of society already.

But you don’t get to farm any social media engagement that way. You’re missing 99% of the point.

Werd. This is all a tempest in a teapot. The kid with the bad hair made a very strange, oddly disturbing vaguepost with the clear intention of getting a reaction, then when he gets one he's all indignant. Polk, for his part, massively overreacts and piles on the weird dude that everyone hates anyway to create content and likes, gets **** all over for it, and eventually backs down and apologizes. Story over, but for the haters on both sides posting about it ad nauseam to no avail.

A lot of work being done in your question by the word "show." We don't need to show them anything. But with all threats to the public, we should seek to understand why they do what they do. There's a term of art in the social sciences called "Verstehen," translated from the German to mean "an empathic understanding of others." So, yes, absolutely, we should seek an empathic understanding of what motivates evil actors.

As for "showing love," no. But, again, built into Western culture is a Christian idea of love and forgiveness, where people seek to provide those things to the absolute worst people in the society. I'm not a Christian, and I feel no particular need to love of forgive the worst people. However, it's not hard for me to imagine why it would be cathartic or healing for a person to seek to do that to their victimizers. I would never say victims *should* do that, but it's something people could do, if it helps them.

What makes Doug and others so annoying in this issue is that they purposefully misunderstand people and purposely act stupider than they are to appear righteous.

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You’ve got it pretty much right, except what I bolded. I actually remember this going down in real-time some years ago. All Doug said in response to Charlie’s “love and empathy” tweet was “wat”. It was actually Charlie who then massively overreacted with a bunch of rage tweets at Doug. It was only then Doug did a video, where part of the video was him explaining dude all I said was “wat”, which then unleashed an unhinged CC on Doug. That’s actually the way it started.

Not of fan of those who ridicule victims of sexual abuse about their sexual abuse, regardless of the "circumstances." Doug is obviously smart and an alpha, but he's kinda not in the grand scheme of things. Hope he's nicer to those around him, but manipulative types usually aren't in the longterm.

Exactly this.

Making a video to your audience of hundreds of thousands is in no way a method to reiterate your initial throwaway comment

It only reignites a dying flame. Wonder why someone who monetises controversy would do that

You’re actually trying to paint someone who went through the process of making a YouTube video with the intent of drawing as much attention to it as possible as the less interested party in your post or trying to attach importance to who started the whole thing. And to that I would say, who cares?

Doug was (is) a poker YouTuber, and besides hand breakdowns etc, he focused on poker controversies in the industry. Not even sure what you’re saying. The Charlie video was just one video among many videos talking about different poker topics. All I said was that Charlie was the one who went bat-chit crazy in response to the single word “wat” tweet, which probably prompted the video creation.

There is no way to further this conversation if we can’t agree on the act of making a video to be an escalation of the situation

Sure, but what exactly was he “escalating”? That child molestors are bad? Keep in mind CC’s claim of victimhood by a bad grandpa came out years later, it was not contemporaneous.

At no point is the opposing stance taken. If that is the point being escalated in response to a video with Carrel, it reflects horribly on the person making the video

In response to your post, it doesn’t matter what he was escalating in any case. Your posts wording amplified (bat-chit, overreacting) the action of Charlie while minimising the actions of Doug(just made a video) as someone who was just responding to someone casually to someone overreacting, but we now agree that he escalated the situation so whatever

wait, child molesters are bad!? who knew!

I'm almost sure CC's child molestation claim did not come out years later, it came out 5 years ago when he replied to DP's reply of his own original tweet.. paraphrased: if we want to stop child molestation, child molesters need more empathy.

This is correct. This stuff was known a long time ago. It isn't a revelation.

edit: I'm not going to search for the video this was referencing but you can clearly see that Charlie had opened up about this prior to this 8/6/2019 post:

I also didn't scroll above that post in that thread so if anyone feels like searching for more, go for it.

I'm so jealous of Doug's high school bullies

Charlie refuses to accept Doug's apology and move on. Instead he is on a witch-hunt and demanding Doug apologize again "properly."

But wait... Doesn't this guy preach about "love" and "forgiveness"? But he is being a bully and unwilling to forgive.

Comments also call him out on his hypocrisy.

it’s true Charlie doesn’t seem to be able to move past this, then again it doesn’t seem like Doug gives much of a **** about Charlie and the apology is just PR, otherwise it could have been done in a private conversation, this would probably be much more effective from Charlie’s POV if doug reached out privately

Seems like Charlie might not be made fun of because of Doug, but because of his own posting.

Makes sense to continually post on Twitter to the masses then claim Twitter trolls have triggered you daily for 4 years. Just so tiresome but totally on brand.

Major win/win situation for both Polk and Charlie. The former gets content; the latter gets eyeballs coming from a bigger platform. Win/Win.

All publicity is good publicity.

dear **** im so glad im not on twitter