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03-09-2021 , 05:29 PM

doublejoker

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Matt made a decision to go 4max at 8 handed WPT Venetian final table after playing 8 max the entire event.

Playing for $750k and with full bb ante, this obviously didnt go over well with the players.

Jared and others posted their gripes on twitter, and Venetian claimed that WPT decisions override theirs.

This isnt the first time Matt has pulled something like this.

A few years back playing for huge money at LAPC $10k main he sprung on the players at the last minute that they were going 6max at 36 players.

It completely changed the event from full ring to basically 4 or 5 max the remainder.

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03-09-2021 , 05:32 PM

iDon

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"Matt Savage upsets entire poker community by changing the structure to allow him to get on the golf course quicker"

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03-09-2021 , 05:39 PM

doublejoker

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Apparently Matt wasn't even there.

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03-09-2021 , 05:42 PM

Gzesh

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

Matt made a decision to go 4max at 8 handed WPT Venetian final table after playing 8 max the entire event.

Playing for $750k and with full bb ante, this obviously didnt go over well with the players.

Jared and others posted their gripes on twitter, and Venetian claimed that WPT decisions override theirs.

This isnt the first time Matt has pulled something like this.

A few years back playing for huge money at LAPC $10k main he sprung on the players at the last minute that they were going 6max at 36 players.

It completely changed the event from full ring to basically 4 or 5 max the remainder.

I don't think that the WPT is a Nevada gaming licensee. Nor could it overrule a decision by a Nevada licensee for an event run by a Nevada gaming licensee.

The Venetian must abide by whatever rules Nevada has for running gaming operations at its casino.

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03-09-2021 , 06:42 PM

player1

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Reminds me of a wsop shootout that went 10 handed -> 6 handed -> 16 player freeze out (maybe?)

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03-10-2021 , 12:16 AM

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03-10-2021 , 03:13 AM

doublejoker

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Savage accused Jared of complaining about 4 max because he was a short stack.

In actuality Jared was one of the chip leaders when this decision was made.

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03-10-2021 , 04:48 AM

gobbo

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Originally Posted by player1

Reminds me of a wsop shootout that went 10 handed -> 6 handed -> 16 player freeze out (maybe?)

This got a lot of controversy because Negreanu complained about it in a vlog. They advertised it as a normal shootout but they decided to make a 6 handed shootout when the tournament started on day 1 and Negreanu had planned on showing up late. He had basically blinded out because at a 6m table you blind out much faster and he lost his mind at the WSOP.

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03-10-2021 , 05:47 AM

Kebabkungen

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Jared Jaffe sounds like a whiny baby

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03-10-2021 , 07:06 AM

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Sounds impossible to justify. Undermines event integrity and players deserve an apology.

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03-10-2021 , 07:07 AM

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Running two 4-max tables for more than like two hands at a tournament advertised and played as 8-max is ridiculous. Why not make it four HU tables if you wanna be all kooky

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03-10-2021 , 07:35 AM

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garbagetime

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I won't be playing anything Matt is involved in in the future.

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03-10-2021 , 08:07 AM

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GreatBigRedOne

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Why did Savage decide to go 4max? There had to be a reason or obstacle to overcome to push him towards this decision that increases his costs and provides him no benefit. That the players who are complaining have not mentioned the reason indicates to me that it is probably a good one.

Edit, just reading that this was the posted structure. If you don't like the structure don't play. Whining that you don't want to actually play, the structure that you signed up to play, is weird at best.

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03-10-2021 , 09:30 AM

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jfound

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So much controversy in poker these days

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03-10-2021 , 10:25 AM

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LimpDitka

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Was this really posted in the structure or is Matt lying? Pretty terrible if its the latter, no reason to switch to 4 max

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03-10-2021 , 10:37 AM

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Kojika

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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen

Jared Jaffe sounds like a whiny baby

Acts so tough on twitter then a cry baby live

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03-10-2021 , 11:04 AM

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Before everyone rushes to judgment, can somebody please confirm or deny the claim of "The redraw procedure was clearly posted one month in advance on both websites."

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03-10-2021 , 11:17 AM

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chuckamuck

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Originally Posted by madlex

Before everyone rushes to judgment, can somebody please confirm or deny the claim of "The redraw procedure was clearly posted one month in advance on both websites."

I think this is the link, according to tweet in a Matt Savage thread:
https://wptmedia.wpt.com/wp-content/...cture-2021.pdf

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SEATING REDRAWS: There will be a full seating redraw prior to the start of each day of play, unless the tournament is already at 24 players or fewer. In that case, redraws will take place at 24, 16, and 7 players (or at Tournament Director’s discretion).

Thoughts? It does say 'at Tournament Director’s discretion'. What's the logic with the redraw at 7 anyway... sorry, I'm not getting that...?

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03-10-2021 , 11:41 AM

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Ten5x

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Can someone explain why a TD/casino would even want this? It makes literally 0 sense to me. It pisses off players and also requires more dealers working. I can't see any upside. I would think it would just encourage more stalling and probably even take longer as well.

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03-10-2021 , 11:50 AM

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Ten5x

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Originally Posted by chuckamuck

I think this is the link, according to tweet in a Matt Savage thread:
https://wptmedia.wpt.com/wp-content/...cture-2021.pdf

also in that link:

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PLAYERS PER TABLE: Play will begin 8-handed. Play will move to 6-handed for the Official
WPT FinalTable.

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03-10-2021 , 12:02 PM

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ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by chuckamuck

Thoughts? It does say 'at Tournament Director’s discretion'. What's the logic with the redraw at 7 anyway... sorry, I'm not getting that...?

I think the logic is because WPT final tables are always 6-max (with a "pre-final table" at 7 players).

I guess I assume in normal 10 or 9-handed tables that they go to the pre-final table and 10 or 9 and just play down to 6 before stopping for filming?

Not sure why this 8-max specifically goes to two 4 handed tables.

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03-10-2021 , 02:53 PM

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TPeck

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

Savage accused Jared of complaining about 4 max because he was a short stack.

In actuality Jared was one of the chip leaders when this decision was made.

Not sure where you pulled this bit from, the site reports he was the significant shortie at 14bb when they moved him to balance tables. Savage is almost certainly correct that if stacks were switched and this move was +EV in his favor we wouldn't hear a peep out of him. I've been in this exact scenario on a post COVID FT bubble 4 handed as a shorty and it really does suck but I chose to not throw a hissy fit and demand they form a premature FT.

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03-10-2021 , 03:47 PM

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doublejoker

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On Jared's twitter he claims he was top 3 in chips of 10 when the news that they were going 4max at 8 was sprung .

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03-10-2021 , 04:08 PM

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dareyou2call

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Originally Posted by TPeck

I haven’t posted on here in years but this is jared Jaffee ..... I want To make one thing crystal clear....when we were informed of the 4 handed tables there were 10 left....at that time I was either 3 or 4 of 10.... I immediately objected...as did everyone else... the debate went on for a good hr before we got 8 handed...this has been verified by anyone who was there and time stamped messages....when we got to 8 I was The short stack ironically ... but let it be clear this objection wasn’t raised because I was Short. It was raised when 4x4 would have actually been to my advantage

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03-10-2021 , 04:10 PM

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chuckamuck

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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow

Didn't know that abt WPT final tables being 6-max. Thanks!

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