only rosie o'donnell. but seriously, not all. but like 99%.

white privilege™ ?

wrong again. u just don't get ANYTHING. u're thinking on some ****ing despicable ant level.

A. Many (most?) pros LOVE what they do. I would call NOT doing what you love wasting your life.

B. Just because money is everything and the #1 priority for you doesn't mean it is for everyone else. For many #1 priority is doing what they LOVE.

C. It's a boring game TO YOU. WTF are you even here if you're bored by poker? Seriously.

But you can't. You are not and prolly will never be good enough. So instead you opt to hate those who are and try to say they do what they not because they love it (most do) but because they can't do anything else. O THEY CAN. But you can't play poker pro. Another jealous loser hater. The "poker world" is full of you. I can smell "you" across oceans. I know your type. Now get your panties up and march to the job you hate. 1 2 1 2

lifelong livecash/tourney losers ITT

yet you have 3k+posts in a poker forum?

are you lost?

I said I wouldn't spread anymore truthiness and I wont. So here is some non truthiness.

Winning online 200NL players are simply the highest form of poker intelligence In fact... they are probably the highest form of human intelligence.... over any meaningful sample.

How did this thread devolve into this ridiculous and stupid debate? Back to the subject, please. Dentale is fairly likeable in parts of that video, although some of what he says is pretty stupid.

Wrong thread

I had to adjust that a bit into the podcast and put the camera on myself. People weren't feelin the neck shot

Both Hall and Dentale are more likable on the pod than they are on Twitter IMO.

That's on me and take most responsibility. I was voted off the island by the Mob.

Nevermore, ITT will I discuss how wondrous it is that so many online grinders ITT believe lollive as if those two games are identical .

Good cast, Joey. I wanted you to press Mike when he claimed he had evidence that Cate wants to back out: "Mike, substantiate that claim or back off of it. You can't quote unnamed sources on this podcast. We don't work that way!"

Mike repeatedly criticizes people for making up things about him -- particularly the cheating allegations. It's a fair point. At the same time, he seems to say things about Cate that he can't know.

At the same time, his only defense of the fold against Lily Killetto is "It's my big blind and I can fold it when I want to. I did it on purpose. Did I collude or set it up? No." I can accept that, but he's trying to favor Lily at the expense of his own EV. While that's not in an of itself directly collusive, it's damn close. And he ought to acknowledge how sleazy it appears.

How did this whole thing start? Hall played a hand poorly and Dentale chimed in on Twitter?

That's what is stupid on Twitter and why I don't have it--everyone thinks their opinion needs to be heard, but really it's worthless.

He's right about one thing. If she pushed the date to get coaching after challenging him that's pretty weak.

Of course that's right, but that's one of the things that Mike is making up: she has said she's not getting coaching and, other than a short session with Dan O'Brien, has never been coached. He also claimed that Cate isn't putting up her own money. That also seems like rank speculation on his part.

Don't have a dog in this fight but they both seem rather out there.

One is an SJW who insists on sharing infantile liberal agit-prop on Twitter and the other is a very angry man who keeps insisting he's Mr. Happy.

One question: On the podcast MD says he plays plenty of HU and wants no coaching, but ITT earlier someone posted that he was seeking coaching.....was that really him and if not wow people really are that into this sh*tstorm of purse-swinging that they are smearing???

Hard to root for either, regardless.

The hardest part about live poker is playing 20 hands/hr. If I had any marketable skills I'd rather get a real job, even assembly line work is more exciting.

Obviously "coaching" doesn't mean literal coaching exclusively.

I find it highly unlikely Cate isn't significantly better at HU NLHE 3 months from now than she is today. Seems plausible for mike though.

Democrats have been gambling with other peoples money for as long as I can remember.

If I were in either player's shoes, you bet I'd book up on HU. Mike doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would memorize push tables and the like, but it'd be silly criminal not to do so.

Props to Mike, BTW, for acknowledging that this whole thing is kind of silly. He's an odd mix of over-the-top overreaction and self-deprecation. He actually seems sincere about both, too.

I'm just 15 minutes into this interview but Mike Dentale is great! I hope he crushes this crazy cat lady. I'm 100% sure her anger towards him is representative of her repressed sexual feelings for him as well as her subconscious desire to have a strong male provider like Dentale take care of her and protect her.


I play up to T/20 which unfortunately is the biggest games spread in the casino here.

Look at any middle aged pro that's been in the game over 10 years. They are nearly all miserable...to the point that you can tell it even affects their health and well being. If they were to deny this I'd argue that they don't even know what true happiness is anymore.

Truer words could not be spoken.

I had an assembly line job one summer while in college.

No it is not. Not close. No way. No how.

Most people who call themselves "grinders" would run screaming into the night after a week or two of that drudgery. Hats off to anyone who suffers that hell to pay the rent and put food on the table.

Mike Dentale, good guy. Fan after the podcast. We would be friends. I am from Brooklyn though so take that into account.

This may have been one of the most candid and honest interviews ever given by anyone in the history of interviews. I give him respect for that, "100%".

Once again, the vast majority of the dumb clique of pro poker players and grinders sided with the person who they *knew* was in the right, Cate Hall, by applying their one dimensional lacking of much life experience superiority complex barely above average minds to the situation.

Mike Dentale gets in his car, gives an articulate and open account of everything while driving from Albany to New York or something using one hand!, and guess what, yes he's a tough guy, but as he put it he is also a stand up guy (meaning a fair person of good principles) and this did come through to the viewer that he is a decent person with good values, and as far as I am concerned, every intellectual point he put forward, including about how ridiculous it is that players such as Cate Hall going on and on and on, on social media, ramming their political points down people's throats, people who have followed her for her poker exploits, was correct.

He also showed some humility, apologised for some of his verbal and occasional physical behaviour, but also logically explained the origins of it, and showed a conciliatory side of his character too by explaining that he has no bad feelings against Cate Hall, but that the Twitter feud was born out of his default personality of being someone who always stands up for himself and doesn't back down.

We also learned in the podcast that he was a stock trader. Again a lot of the poker clique I am sure thought he was a trench digger, because they are so one dimensional and dismissive of so much that is around them that doesn't match up to their own deluded thoughts about how wonderful and superior they are.

Plus he spoke the truth about most players not being winners, even grinders, or just going up and down and never really getting anywhere financially through poker.

Last point I'll make, which I've made before ITT, is that someone's poker persona in live poker is usually not their IRL personality or being, it is linked and often exaggerated, but it is not the same.