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A call to ban Sharkystrator at the low stakes A call to ban Sharkystrator at the low stakes

01-12-2015 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by knoxxxy
I do get this - But as I said I don't play regularly enough for me to personally justify the subscription. Plus what about the people who don't know about sharky? the other Recs, the only reason I know about it is because these guys are telling me in the chat to get it because they don't want to play me.

Not to mention as far as I'm aware sharky is only for windows? I play on a MAC.
Recs have to play regs, Sharky or no Sharky. All Sharky does in situations where regs refuse to sit regs is order the lobby and prevent simultaneous sits - where two regs sit a lobby at the same time and are forced to chop or play a game they don't want to play.

And the cheapest version of Sharky is $35 for 6 months, which you should expect to make back in a day playing the 15s.
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01-12-2015 , 02:02 AM
What a shocker.. another thread where the op wants things changed to make the games better for them.
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01-12-2015 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
What a shocker.. another thread where the op wants things changed to make the games better for them.
what a shocker, another brain dead comment....please read the thread before commenting, this is targeted at making the games better for everyone.
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01-12-2015 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BertieWooster
Recs have to play regs, Sharky or no Sharky. All Sharky does in situations where regs refuse to sit regs is order the lobby and prevent simultaneous sits - where two regs sit a lobby at the same time and are forced to chop or play a game they don't want to play.

And the cheapest version of Sharky is $35 for 6 months, which you should expect to make back in a day playing the 15s.
Thanks for your feedback, I'm happy to educate you further on this.

No, that is not what it is doing. In a fair format, recreational players play other recs AS WELL as regs. They are not confined to just playing a small pool of regs that are hogging the lobbies. This isn't even a question of skill level, as I've pointed out, I can be a superior player to all of these regs and beat every single one of them over a large sample....yet they still get to control the lobbies and prevent me from playing anyone else due to investing in 3rd party software. Yes, I can spend the $35 on a 6mth subscription, but with a 3% ROI, that's 78 games worth of profit. If I'm a recreational player who doesn't play too much, why do I want to use up 78 games profit every 6 months just to join their system which I fundamentally disagree with?

78 games would take me over 6 hours to play without breaks. I'm supposed to spend this time and money just to join a bunch of bum hunters who don't want to play other regs???

Last edited by knoxxxy; 01-12-2015 at 02:27 AM.
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01-12-2015 , 02:29 AM
Yet to hear one valid reason NOT to do this, or how it will be detrimental to anybody. I guess this thread can be closed and stars can just go ahead and take on my suggestion.
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01-12-2015 , 03:02 AM
Sit and go's should have annonymous lobbies. Meaning a player can see a player is sitting in waiting for an opponent but the identity of the player sitting in is unknown until the sit and go begins.

This should help reduce the bum hunting to some degree.
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01-12-2015 , 03:43 AM
Totally agree with OP, all of us recs are sick of bum hunters and of people multitabling and taking forever to make a decision.

Random seating and reduced time bank should be the norm.

Maybe you should have 3 tokens like in the shark cage to ask for more time for difficult spots.



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01-12-2015 , 03:55 AM
i think all good players should be banned from all stakes
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01-12-2015 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
i think all good players should be banned from all stakes
I think you should be banned from posting.........you are neither funny, nor intelligent....try actually make a point next time.
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01-12-2015 , 04:02 AM
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I'm happy to play against these bum hunters, more than happy. They're not even good
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01-12-2015 , 04:05 AM
What about more shoot-out HU SNGs? - i.e. start with 8 players, winners go to semi finals then final. Presumably they can't script that one very effectively.

Like a lot of problems on Pokerstars it can be fixed by removing the lobby and making everyone use the quick-seat feature.

I think the reason why they don't fix HUds and scripts is that on Pokerstars a lot of the losing players think they are really regs running bad, and if they have already invested in third party software they are more likely to keep depositing while they wait for their unbeatable advantage to come good.
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01-12-2015 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mubsy Bogues
Nice work, you managed to post a gif to compensate for your lack of ability to make any kind of an intelligent point. Good job kid, now leave the grown ups to discuss poker. Unless you were trying to imply that the $15 regs are really good players? I don't think they are, based on the fact I am beating them for 2.5% ROI and I don't think I'm even that good of a player either, thus why I play recreationally and don't play high stakes. If the $15 regs were that good, they'd play higher, simple. it now appears the gif is probably laughing at you, as you are the joke.
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01-12-2015 , 04:23 AM
What the hell is sharkystrator? Some sng tool that lets you bumhunt?
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01-12-2015 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
If the software should be banned, it should be banned for all users and not just for the particular games that you personally are invested in. This laughably 'but it matters because it's my game!' attitude is endemic to poker, you are not a special snowflake, sorry.

Reducing the time given to make decisions, since hypers are supposed to be a quick game is reasonable, as is a random seat selection format.
So much +1 to this.

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Originally Posted by knoxxxy
Get a grip, If they want to ban it at all stakes, that is for pokerstars and the high stakes community to decide. There is no way I should be advising what should happen at the high stakes level, and thus why I made this thread targeted at the games I play.

All I said is that I can understand the need for seating management at stakes where the majority are full time players playing for a living. But as I said, this is for the high stakes community to discuss, not me. What I can discuss is the problem of seat scripting where the majority of players are recreational. The regs / grinders do not even need seat scripting, they should be able to win at a high rate with random seating just because they'd still be playing mostly recs.
Lol what? You can only have an opinion on the stakes you play?
Seems to me that there are a decent number of guys playing $15 hu hypers for a living, so following your logic, seating scripts should be allowed.

If you are just fed up with multi tablers taking time with decisions, why not advocate a shorter time bank?
You aren't going to get a whole a lot of support if it only covers your self interest and nothing more.
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01-12-2015 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by knoxxxy
Nice work, you managed to post a gif to compensate for your lack of ability to make any kind of an intelligent point. Good job kid, now leave the grown ups to discuss poker. Unless you were trying to imply that the $15 regs are really good players? I don't think they are, based on the fact I am beating them for 2.5% ROI and I don't think I'm even that good of a player either, thus why I play recreationally and don't play high stakes. If the $15 regs were that good, they'd play higher, simple. it now appears the gif is probably laughing at you, as you are the joke.
I laughed at that quote. I didn't laugh at you, I laughed at the bumhunters who suck at poker and who you are beating. I think that's funny and awesome.

I think your attitude ITT is less awesome. Stop being so sensitive and getting butthurt by people disagreeing with you.
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01-12-2015 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
What the hell is sharkystrator? Some sng tool that lets you bumhunt?
I believe it auto-sits you with anybody who his not also using the software. The assumption being that everybody that is using it is good. Which seems like a ridiculous assumption, but whatever.
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01-12-2015 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by knoxxxy
Thanks for your feedback, I'm happy to educate you further on this.

No, that is not what it is doing. In a fair format, recreational players play other recs AS WELL as regs. They are not confined to just playing a small pool of regs that are hogging the lobbies. This isn't even a question of skill level, as I've pointed out, I can be a superior player to all of these regs and beat every single one of them over a large sample....yet they still get to control the lobbies and prevent me from playing anyone else due to investing in 3rd party software. Yes, I can spend the $35 on a 6mth subscription, but with a 3% ROI, that's 78 games worth of profit. If I'm a recreational player who doesn't play too much, why do I want to use up 78 games profit every 6 months just to join their system which I fundamentally disagree with?

78 games would take me over 6 hours to play without breaks. I'm supposed to spend this time and money just to join a bunch of bum hunters who don't want to play other regs???
This is just wrong.

Pre Sharky, a reg would sit the lobby manually - normally whoever was quickest on the draw would get the lobby - and, presuming none of the other regs viewing the lobby at the time wanted to play the seated reg, would wait until a fish sat him. As soon as the original sitter was sat a new lobby was made and would instantly be taken by a reg, who would, like the reg before him, wait for a fish. It was extremely unlikely that a fish would ever be able to sit first, and, if they did, they would instantly be sat by a reg - regs knew the other regs and would sit unknown screenames.

This hypothetical format in which fish could ever play fish has never existed, at least not for the past 5 or 6 years.
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01-12-2015 , 05:07 AM
i remember days of fish open sitting $200 turbos lol that was a while before hypers exited though
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01-12-2015 , 05:26 AM
seat scripts (and similar stuff) are aids for poker, not just for the lowstakes and ppl who use them are scum.

regs should pool some money together, get a script and then release it to the public for free and any1 to use. pokerstars would finally have to do something about it, because the games would be ****ed and it would affect their bottomline. and we all know thats the only way to get stars to do anything about this issue.

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01-12-2015 , 05:27 AM
Lol. A thread full of a bunch of people talking about sharky and they have no clue how it even works. Next people will be comparing it to jesus seat cash scripts.
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01-12-2015 , 05:44 AM
like the 2 arent comparable. you know a comparison doesnt have to be between 2 identical things. ofc seat scripts might be worse and i mainly posted about them because they are ruining the games and this seemed a somewhat relevant thread for it.
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01-12-2015 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by knoxxxy
Let's start with what I'm not going to suggest. Let's not ban seat scripting or sharkystrator at the high stakes. Frankly I think if you want to play high stakes you should be ready for a challenge and expect to play against the best players at that stake. I also see it as more fair to expect high stakes player to invest and pay for 3rd party registration software if they want to win or be included in 'cartel' groups. With high stakes we are talking about peoples livelihood, and I perfectly understand the need for software to help manage sessions, the lobbies and coordinate with other fulltimers.

Where my issue lies is with the lower stakes, currently $15 heads up hyper turbo sngs are infested with seat scripting / people using Sharkystrator. I play poker recreationally and now whenever I try to play the $15 heads up hypers, I can ONLY get a game against these few sharky grinders. They take forever to make decisions as they are multi tabling, and I find it incredibly tedious to play the same few people over and over. I can already hear the critics saying "if you can't beat them, too bad, move down the stakes". Well the thing is I actually can beat them, currently for a 2.5% EVROI, to the point these guys are actually suggesting to me to get sharky so that they don't have to play me. But I refuse to purchase bum hunting software, especially when I don't play that regularly and don't want to spend the money on it.

These guys aren't doing anything for the poker economy, recreational players need to be able to come in and play against other recreational players every now and again at these lower stakes for fun. These grinders are just bum hunting and cleaning out all the fish. It's the fish that the site needs to re-deposit to keep online poker going long term, they aren't going to do that if they are just being bum hunted by these low stakes grinders.

I think it's a completely ridiculous ultimatum...."pay a subscription to this 3rd party software, or play the same few people over and over, you will never have access to play anyone else in the player pool". I'm happy to play against these bum hunters, more than happy. They're not even good, my point is more that I don't want to ONLY play these bum hunters, I want a mix of games and opponents, not sharky opponents only.
The easiest solution is banning 2nd world and third world players. The winning regulars are leaches at the limits you play and abuse the system and the few fish aren't worth the headaches for the short money that the site will make. I seem to recall Party Poker doing this for new accounts from many of these countries that you are talking about.
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01-12-2015 , 06:23 AM
As someone who also plays those exact games pretty well, but also on a recreational basis, I just bumhunt the randoms who register for those games first, straight up (would that even be called genuine bumhunting at this point?). 4-mans are also generally juicy, and I like the return I get on those vs. 2-mans.
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01-12-2015 , 06:55 AM
I don't play these games but to me it seems that OP makes a valid point, and no one itt can really argue with it. Don't understand all the hate
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01-12-2015 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
I don't play these games but to me it seems that OP makes a valid point, and no one itt can really argue with it. Don't understand all the hate
+1000
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