This seems to leave out her shadiness...?

I agree with just about all of this but you're actually making my point re: "some people." Some people cannot handle the stress of final exams and end up killing themselves as a result. Does that mean that final exams cause suicide or would it be better to say that a person who would kill themselves over the stress of finals had something else seriously wrong with them? Some people play first person shooters and then grab a gun and head down to the mall, even though 99.99999% of people don't. So do first person shooters cause gun violence or not? Again, I think it's more correct to say that a certain portion of the population is mentally disturbed and that fact combined with violent video games can make them kill. Big difference from saying Call of Duty (or whatever) makes kids murder.

She did scummy stuff but in hindsight, I'm guessing a lot of it was just manifest of a life gone off the rails rather than a symptom of a ****bag human being. Or maybe she was. No idea.

She absolutely brought a lot of the negative attention onto herself, but I don't think she realized what she was in for when 'the poker internet' arrived.

OP your read is way off and you're going to get slaughtered in this thread if it picks up steam.

This is a textbook "let sleeping dogs lie" situation.

so much this

SO MUCH

"stop cyber bullying"?

yeah ****in right

"stop raising your kids to be ****in pussies" sounds a lot more like it to me

LOL @ "you're going to get slaughtered".

Its a very interesting dog. The bad actors who would most like to see the 'sleeping dog lie' can be pointed out, but I'd imagine this thread would get the instalock at that point, since, ya know....

? I don't remember this...

Either do I and I knew the principle players involved personally.

Not saying it didn't happen. Must have slipped my mind or maybe I never knew about it. I think at some point I just tuned it all out

Cyberbullying is definitely a problem, but looking at the Brandi case is not the way to fix it imo. That sht was inevitable. She put herself in the middle of the storm and did shady things along the way. She got bullied, but a lot of people were just spitting truth or trying to have a few laughs. Some of the accusations were not laughing matters, but what do you expect an internet forum to do? Erase the memories? Pay back the suckers? In the Brandi case the "cyber-bullies" were an ambivalent, anonymous audience.

That seems way different than kids bullying other kids online when the victim doesn't even want to be involved, didn't do anything wrong, isn't encouraging the attention at all, and has to go to school with the bullies every day for the next few years.

She had a history if being shady in Vegas before she even started playing poker fwiw.

People want to live their lives on ****ing facebook or tweety then go nutso when something negative comes out

Anecdotally causal....... saywhat?

n/m 2s google search finds it. guess i just forgot about it

If the mother is going to suggest cyberbullying played a role then I think parenting should also be considered. If Brandi suffered from mental illness then that was likely the principle issue.

I think Brandi's mother is just trying to cope with the loss of her daughter and the easiest thing to blame is someone else especially when the someone else is the internet.

Captain Tom and penis on back should be on that list.

obv we are products of our parents. unless you know something else about their relationship, it's pointless to speculate here.
mom knows more about the situation than you, and almost certainly still feels some guilt over what happened. no need to pile on.

Lock the thread. Let it go. Theres no positive to going over this again in NVG.

People demanding discussion be shut down sound a bit like they have something to hide. More scummy behavior by poker players? Say it ain't so ....

Oh, dude... To put it mildly.
Some, it's 'something to hide'.
Others, loud pangs of conscience.

This site may have experienced the highest traffic of it's existence during the Hawbaker imbroglio. Good luck having this thread shut down.

Not sure how what I wrote could be interpreted as piling on. The mother believes cyberbulling was responsible - that opens the door to a discussion about the contributing factors of this tragedy. Parenting is one of several aspects that should be considered.

Read the thread. Then bear in mind her mother will likely be reading the thread. Dont really think there are any positives to people dredging up the same old ****. NVG isnt capable of having civilised discussions. Everyone can go read the old threads and make up their own mind who was to blame.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...wbaker-102997/ interesting read

She made some bad decisions but in spite of that it sucks to see anyone reach the lowest depth of hopelessness that leads to suicide.

I still say RIP.