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I think we've learned so far that Donger Kim is an absolute monster and probably topping the powerrankings and Libratus is just an absolute sicko with no mercy.

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01-26-2017 , 07:38 AM

#852

Loctus

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Originally Posted by whosnext

I agree. Claudico had exploitable "bugs" in its bet size abstraction algorithm in addition to just spazzing out on many hands such as shoving 10+ times the pot on the river.

Libratus does not seem to suffer from those foibles.

Libratus also 10x pot jams rivers

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01-26-2017 , 08:40 AM

#853

samooth

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Day 15 results:

11.06bb/100, 73% of all hands played, Dong still up on Libby, Dan with the comeback?

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01-26-2017 , 11:41 AM

#854

Donger Kim

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Dan with the coneback, you heard it here first

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01-26-2017 , 11:48 AM

#855

pwnsall

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dong probably getting lots of good hands/spots, his team is actually down more

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01-26-2017 , 12:17 PM

#856

TouchOfEVil

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pretty sure considering how stuck jason is that he is indeed getting a few more free stacks than anyone else but libratus is also winning vs the other two which is so freaky.

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01-26-2017 , 12:18 PM

#857

restorativejustice

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Doug dropped by to coach them up yesterday. A statistical tie is still in reach.
#DreamBig

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01-26-2017 , 01:28 PM

#858

poiulkjh

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Why Jason Les was invited again for this?

He lost to the older AI and now is losing big, what a shame

This guy sucks at poker, I once played with him a WSOP event and he is just bad

And I am just an average poker player, usually I always find someone better than me every table, but Jason Les was not one of them

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01-26-2017 , 01:35 PM

#859

HU4STAX

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Originally Posted by poiulkjh

Good question. He got coached by Doug to be able to beat most humans. Beating the bot takes a lot of out of the box creativity which he is not showing. He, for most of the challenge, was playing it as if it were a human.

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01-26-2017 , 01:49 PM

#860

cheet

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Originally Posted by poiulkjh

Cheers

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01-26-2017 , 02:29 PM

#861

IMDABES

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Originally Posted by Clayton

the only reason dong is up is because he's mirroring the guy who's running the worst. i feel pretty confident saying two dongers are still going to net below 0 if mirrored.

Guess Jason "ran the worst" last year too then.

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01-26-2017 , 02:36 PM

#862

TouchOfEVil

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Originally Posted by IMDABES

Guess Jason "ran the worst" last year too then.

Well to be fair sample size is to small , also it's gonna happen 6,25% of the time. Statistical tie imo.

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01-26-2017 , 02:48 PM

#863

Dogefor2020

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Originally Posted by poiulkjh

Why Jason Les was invited again for this?

This guy sucks at poker

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01-26-2017 , 02:49 PM

#864

American Express

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Originally Posted by poiulkjh

Its just like a week ago, or maybe 10 days, when Jason was the only one ahead of the computer.

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01-26-2017 , 03:06 PM

#865

Quasar96

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Originally Posted by American Express

Its just like a week ago, or maybe 10 days, when Jason was the only one ahead of the computer.

Results change => NVG's opinion of Jason changes

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01-26-2017 , 03:23 PM

#866

Tutejszy

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nono, it's just that he used to be very good 10 days ago, but now couldn't beat nl50. People change.

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01-26-2017 , 03:48 PM

#867

ubaldus

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Let's assume for a minute that Libratus beating Jimmy/Daniel team by 8bb/100 represents fair measure of its superiority over people, and that Dong simply runs hot to break even.

Then Jason is supposed to lose 16bb/100, but right now it's 28bb/100 (ouch!). Not a good sign, he is either tilting or just mailing it in.

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Originally Posted by samooth

Day 15 results:

11.06bb/100, 73% of all hands played, Dong still up on Libby, Dan with the comeback?

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01-26-2017 , 04:32 PM

#868

whosnext

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That's not how variance works.

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01-26-2017 , 04:43 PM

#869

frinxor

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itt: people who don't understand poker. maybe Dong is bad, and had he played better he would be up 615k.

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01-26-2017 , 04:58 PM

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2pairsof2s

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Originally Posted by frinxor

itt: people who don't understand poker. maybe Dong is bad, and had he played better he would be up 615k.

Dong is up 13k on the hands, Libratus is up $615k in the mirror. I don't see how that is anything but a win both ways, as it seems like the cards are running one way in that match. The other match, where the distribution seems more balanced, Lib is crushing both sides. LOL that anyone is seriously saying "Oh, Jason sucks, it's all his fault." The truth is that our Robot Overlords have arrived. Libratus is Just the first wave.

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01-26-2017 , 05:19 PM

#871

IMDABES

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Originally Posted by frinxor

itt: people who don't understand poker. maybe Dong is bad, and had he played better he would be up 615k.

lol, maybe Jason les has ran amazing, and should be down 1MM, we have what 100k hands + of history vs this and last years bot right? That's probably what we should be mostly judging off of.

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01-26-2017 , 05:28 PM

#872

vrael111

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Originally Posted by Tutejszy

nono, it's just that he used to be very good 10 days ago, but now couldn't beat nl50. People change.

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01-26-2017 , 08:56 PM

#873

fluorescenthippo

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Assuming the computer is the best player, the fact that Dong is the only winner player means the player with mirror hands (Jason) should be down the most. Of course there is variance everywhere but doesn't mean this isn't the most likely situation.

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01-26-2017 , 09:00 PM

#874

samooth

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raise 550 call
check bet 704 raise 2585 call
bet 6064 jam 17k fold

mirror:

raise 250 call
check check
bet 410 raise 1406 call
check bet 3611 call

raise 3bet 1325 4bet 3312 call
check check
bet 5696 call
check jam 11k (fold)

mirror:

raise 580 call
bet 870 call
check check
bet 713 call

dong & libby tango:

raise 250 3bet 1337 4bet 3342 5bet 5480 call
jam 14k call (equity chop)

raise 250 reraise 1337 call
bet 1604 call
bet 3123 call
marmalade 14k fold

raise 250 reraise 1337 call
bet 1604 call
bet 3529 call
jam 14k fold (lets gooo)

raise 250 reraise 1337 call
bet 100 raise 2255 call
check bet 3582 call
check check

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01-26-2017 , 09:03 PM

#875

mjk2800

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Originally Posted by poiulkjh

Why Jason Les was invited again for this?

He lost to the older AI and now is losing big, what a shame

This guy sucks at poker, I once played with him a WSOP event and he is just bad

And I am just an average poker player, usually I always find someone better than me every table, but Jason Les was not one of them

I am 100% convinced he sucks now

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