In your opinion which sites do you think there's more than a 50/50 chance that do run house bots?

Well with ACR it's probably 95%, so that's probably your winner.

It's laughable that Moneymaker claims that the site doesn't have bots. What a clown you have to be to come out right now and say that. The video itself was even more ridiculous but the response is a whole different thing. The claiming they don't think WPN has bots part is just absurd when there's overwhelming evidence right in front of them.

can you go into detail exactly which type of plays were done exclusively by the bots and link the HH?

It would be hard to know,

I only suspected there might be house bots because:

1) I would like to think that they care enough about game integrity to not let #1 be true. (Especially once collusion is in play)

2) I would hope they have any tiny shred of security in place to not let #2 be true.

The reality of it is, all three of those theories don't look good on a website that collects rake for profit and in return is expected by the players to provide a safe and fair place to play. I guess I am still a bit naively optimistic and hope that there is an alternate explanation as it is currently the site that has most of my volume and I am very limited in places to play online due to local laws and regulations.

Went back and found the original bot thread from WPN. End of May 2016. The bots were grinding free rolls.

Many responses were "Who cares, its just free rolls"

Eventually I just stopped playing there because it was an endless stream of people posting bot accounts and nothing happening

Unfortunately, I lack the skill to know how to efficiently compile this data and post it. I don't want to just dump a handful of hand histories into this thread.

Would I export a DB or something like that?

I posted above a preflop filter set up I used in the Reports tab in PT4 to get it to spit out an easy list of bots with a relatively low false positive.

Edit: Actually now that I think about it I think I used that filter in conjunction with an expression filter or something that had a range of VPIP/PFR and Steal and some other stats and then I remember cross referencing them in a spreadsheet or something like that. It was several months ago and took quite a bit of my time but I was determined to help clean up the games.

ACR updating/changing terms to their bot challenge

Wow, I think this is the straw that broke the camels back for me. Withdrawing I guess.

lmao. anyone who doesnt withdraw asap and never play on acr again at this point is a complete moron. the fact they even came up with this "challenge" is hilarious

Man this looks so unbelievably bad it's insane. How does a site with this type of leadership acquire such a non-trivial amount of market share? I'm stunned.

So far in late 2023/early 2024 we have:

1. Confirmed superuser on GG in December 2023 apparently after having had someone contact their security, have zoom meetings, and specifically discuss potential issues (??)

2. Confirmed ability to see mucked hole cards on ACR in November 2023 and this was freely available for who knows how long

3. Confirmed cheating/RTA on global poker with an absolutely terrible response from management

4. Confirmed 100's of GTOwizard hits/matches on 1knl/2knl hands on Bovada/Ignition, multiple allegations of collusion (with evidence), and botting: no response from Bonition

5. Allegations with significant evidence of *active and current* botting on ACR followed by ACR issuing out a challenge, "Hey come try and cheat on our site and we'll give you 100k", followed shortly by, "Okay I did it!", and then ACR renegging on the proposal with multiple bullet points

What the ****. This doesn't even include all the other stuff that's happened in the last year or two: GG poker banning winners, all the app game random crap, the RTA in MTTs on GG, non-transparent rake, non-transparent rake increases, and what not.

I truly believe it's in a site's best interest to take security seriously and be as transparent as possible, but it appears not one of these aforementioned sites are doing that.

Complete jokes from ACR, hard to believe.

I've missed number 4, do you have any links on it?

One of the most asinine things I've ever seen.

"We will GIVE YOU MONEY to cheat on our site". stunning PR, they must be trying to outdo Global/Bonition/GG.

You're going to have to sift through the Bovada thread, but in general since late 2022/early 2023 there have been many posters with a significant amount of people coming forward with their concerns as 2023 continued. You can browse the latest few pages for a general idea.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...index2787.html

Great, will do, cheers .

Outside of GG, they exist solely because they serve an illegal market.

Yeah, this is the very obvious answer. Still annoying.

As someone who has lost 5 figures $$ in his poker "career" in Hu sng/cash to straight forward the most obv bots you could find and just regs using the famous rta bs stuff, I find the behavior of acr, Chris money maker, nanonoko absolutely ridiculous. They could also just come and straight spit into people's faces. Would be basically the same.

I stopped playing acr 2 years ago, self excluded myself, caus I knew I couldn't resist the often juicy soft mtt fields. But it's like a trap. "Come play our soft mtts, a lot of really bad Americans (no front my American friends) but hey, you might get Completly f'ed by bots and collusion".

Couple month ago someone posted on Twitter abt how the majority of top mtt regs are loosing on acr, over a very big sample. Draw your own conclusions.

Some regs think it's fine to play there, caus they can beat the bots. This might true, however, you really believe if u have 50% bot accs at your table, they wouldn't collude/card share? You can't beat that. Everyone is gone loose in the long run.

This is just beyond ridiculous. They had bots playing on their site, that u could spot after playing 50 hands with them. I reported 20 different accounts to support, always got the same template answer.

It's just bonkers. It actually triggers me seeing the Doug Polk vid, where he claims, that Phil naggy cares.

At this points iam on boat with that either acr is on it, or they did the calculations that the bots are +ev for them, so they don't care.

You can **** abt Stars as much as u want, but at least the cheating and botting was never as rampant on there as it is on other sites.

Damn, they threw Moneymaker under the BUS. I tried to tweet at him yesterday to cover his ass here. Very unfortunate

Is it possible there are bots playing the 5 Card Omaha H/L games on ACR? Anyone here play in those games?

As an online American reg (played everything from $5-215s) playing exclusively on Chico, Ignition and WPN I have long suspected collusion. The amount of time I have been deep in tournaments and someone does something inexplicable never seemed to be a coincidence to me. Feels good to finally be confirmed. Unfortunately I will have to continue to play these sites to make a living, because that’s what I do, but at least we all know now. Incoming $2.57 refund while ACR pros get $10,000s

as a donator to all sites

pokerstars
etc

why should i continue to donate my wages to sites weekly when they have these replies


i will neveer deposit again

#funplayer


also id like daniel negreanu , lex veldhuis , any top name player etc to reply on this


#thisisbollocks

Really don't want to derail thread, but it's quite obvious that their streamers are treated differently. I played with boski once at same table deep in a mtt, so obv I turned on his stream, only to see that he had like 2k hands on me in his hud. Which is odd, considering I only had 300 hands with him in my own hud/full db. =) magically he must have found some HH on the street which belonged to me....

The streamer thingy is interesting for the thread imo, caus I never saw their streamers playing with obv bots / sus accounts.

I have the feeling the bots are programmed to leave certain streamer accs alone / the operators know that they shouldn't behave sus when acr streamer is in the table. Which leads me again more into believing it's some kind of house bot / acr knows 100%. But management decided bots are +ev for the site.

Nevertheless, at this point people should just stare withdrawing.

Crazy what some basic googling finds... Would their "bot detection" catch something like this?

ye *** that

im a long time player older than most people on here

i get questionaires from pokerstars etc what would make me play more,,,,

i always say nam /alias change

but when u got this **** going on whats the point

i will say right now, ill never deposit on any site again once i know all the above is still active

*** that