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01-13-2024 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
huds are completely useless if you dont have the smarts to use them so saying they're unfair is akin to saying being smart is unfair.

And RTA is completely useless if you don't have the smarts to use it properly. Anyone claiming HUDs don't create situations where a computer program is directly telling you what to do is a liar or a fool.
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01-13-2024 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
And RTA is completely useless if you don't have the smarts to use it properly. Anyone claiming HUDs don't create situations where a computer program is directly telling you what to do is a liar or a fool.
Where are the huds that tell you what to do? Mine just puts a bunch of numbers on the screen and I use those numbers to try and make a informed decision. It may come as a shock to you but in every form of competition people study and dissect their opponents l yet poker players have this absurd idea that everyone should come to the table with blinders on completely in the dark about how their opponents play. With an RTA you literally just need to be able to follow instructions. So I guess if your incapable of doing that you may have problems. I'm sure some out there even have elaborate setups that autoplay while being difficult to catch
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01-13-2024 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
And RTA is completely useless if you don't have the smarts to use it properly. .
If you dont have the smarts to comply with an advice of Fold, Call or Raise you probably have difficulty turning on your computer.

a HUD doesnt tell you what to do, RTA does
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01-13-2024 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Baracus
but kuhn said there is nothing to worry about and everyone will get every cent they lose to a bot back. head of security is steps ahead of the bots and nagy is in this business for online pokers best, not his own profit. kuhn was very clear about this during berkeys panel discussion
then explain me these things please:

-i saw ~8-9 players in the last few days from the list
-these players have the SAME!!! exact stats (after hundreds of hands each)
-most of the time they're acting instantly in non-obvious spots too
-they had 3-4 different SB openraise sizings like 3.13, 2.43, 3.43 etc and raising almost instantly. theres no way they using betsliders like this, or there is no way to type that fast on the keyboard.
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01-13-2024 , 02:35 PM
Does anyone have any idea why the bots would use such strange opening sizes?

Surely it just draws attention to them?
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01-13-2024 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gorombagomba
then explain me these things please:

-i saw ~8-9 players in the last few days from the list
-these players have the SAME!!! exact stats (after hundreds of hands each)
-most of the time they're acting instantly in non-obvious spots too
-they had 3-4 different SB openraise sizings like 3.13, 2.43, 3.43 etc and raising almost instantly. theres no way they using betsliders like this, or there is no way to type that fast on the keyboard.
i guess i could be wrong but i believe he was being very sarcastic
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01-13-2024 , 08:04 PM
Just a random thought, why sites don't implement something like captcha. I remember many years ago on stars in my chat a button popped up, so I have to click it to confirm I am at the computer. Simple and when you implement it with some thought it could be quite effective as a first screening for bots.
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01-13-2024 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by combodraw
Just a random thought, why sites don't implement something like captcha. I remember many years ago on stars in my chat a button popped up, so I have to click it to confirm I am at the computer. Simple and when you implement it with some thought it could be quite effective as a first screening for bots.
I've gotten random CAPTCHAs on ACR, probably means the bot operators need to stay at their computer.
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01-14-2024 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
I've gotten random CAPTCHAs on ACR, probably means the bot operators need to stay at their computer.
nope
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01-14-2024 , 08:32 AM
what about this
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01-14-2024 , 09:34 AM
captcha dont really follow your mouse to see "human behaviour"
when you click on the box to tick that you're not a robot you are giving permission to check your latest browser data. And scanning this will show the site whether you are human or a bot.
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01-14-2024 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
i guess i could be wrong but i believe he was being very sarcastic
sorry then
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01-14-2024 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Umm no if all the cheaters are coming from the same 3rd world country ban that country and get rid of the cheaters. Belarussians and Russians are whoever are not entitled to play on American sites any more than Americans are entitled to play on sites from their countries. Your comparison is silly no one is talking about starting a war or invading a country but i find it telling that you think kicking a country off a poker site and starting a war are similar
Russia is now a 3rd world country ? lmao
Who says it's similar ? I don't.

You're probably right, let's just ban any country with some cheaters, it will probably fix the issue, and poker world will become honest once the bad russian guys are banned.
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01-14-2024 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
And RTA is completely useless if you don't have the smarts to use it properly. Anyone claiming HUDs don't create situations where a computer program is directly telling you what to do is a liar or a fool.
Well yes when the majority of hackers are coming from a single country then yes banning that country seems like a strong step in the right direction. You seem to think Russians are entitled to play in American pools and that just isn't the case. No more than Americans are entitled to play in the GG pool
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01-14-2024 , 11:10 PM
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...t=scoopjackson

This guy was Brian England. Try to guess in which country he was living...lol
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01-15-2024 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...t=scoopjackson

This guy was Brian England. Try to guess in which country he was living...lol
That was years ago now poker sites can easily detect VPNs. In the case of the ACR bot ring its a moot point though as all or most of the bots are coming from the poker king skin so you wouldn't even need to ban a entire country just a single network. Wouldn't be a permanent fix but its better than ACRs current solution. Which is denying they have a bot problem
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01-15-2024 , 11:16 AM
There should be more pressure on the poker king skin.

But rake
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01-15-2024 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dude45
That was years ago now poker sites can easily detect VPNs. In the case of the ACR bot ring its a moot point though as all or most of the bots are coming from the poker king skin so you wouldn't even need to ban a entire country just a single network. Wouldn't be a permanent fix but its better than ACRs current solution. Which is denying they have a bot problem
Guy was living in Costa Rica...
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01-16-2024 , 01:51 PM
I am curious if those MTT bots show up at the high-stake MTTs or only mid and low?
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01-16-2024 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pivo80
I am curious if those MTT bots show up at the high-stake MTTs or only mid and low?
They’re at all stakes and variants.. they’re probably on other sites as well.

Unless I’m crushing a game I’m not playing in it in 2024.
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01-16-2024 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerEthics
They’re at all stakes and variants.. they’re probably on other sites as well.

Unless I’m crushing a game I’m not playing in it in 2024.
I played sats for the Venom and didnt meet anyone from the lists. So, seems that they are not considered fit for the sats by their owners which is understandable with the ICM adjustments needed for a satelite play.

I am wondering if they will dare to play the Venom with its buy-in and furthermore the PKO format.
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01-16-2024 , 03:40 PM
The probably the deprecated the old bot ring screen names and other bots are already deployed
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01-16-2024 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Heavy Mask
The probably the deprecated the old bot ring screen names and other bots are already deployed
I played against 7-8 of the old ones at Loncar Mega stacks on Sunday.

Last edited by Pivo80; 01-16-2024 at 04:07 PM. Reason: Clarification
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01-16-2024 , 04:35 PM
Is there blatant collusion in these games, like what is happening on ignition at the moment?
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01-17-2024 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
Is there blatant collusion in these games, like what is happening on ignition at the moment?
I have played professionally on all American sites for the past 6 years. I have always suspected there could be collusion on FTs at all levels. Due to soft play, chip dumping etc. I had never taken the time to seriously look at it, but I have always suspected it. I keep on pointing it out, because I find it very relevant here that then last year it came out that Ali Imsirovic had colluded his way to to the top. He played a lot on WPN and I regularly saw him in games. I find it hard to believe he wasn’t colluding in those games, but only on Ignition. On a side note, I have since emailed WPN and they say they are looking into. Kudos to them if true and for being responsive.

If Ali was colluding across Ignition and WPN and in high stakes games, why would smaller stakes players not be able to do the same? Why would the accounts, which had been banned from WPN from before not have delved into the dark arts of colluding and only did the soft porn botting? I have never been privy to discord channels or stables, which have engaged in things such as blatant cheating, but I have seen massive data mining and HH sharing. I have seen discord channels where they border on colluding by sharing hands after the fact (not while in the hand). It doesn’t seem far fetched to me to think there are stables where colluding is not only done, but is the prerogative.

Hell after being cheated so much by WPN and by other players I can see how some people would take out vengeance. Something needs to be done.
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