That’s a great question, I don’t have an answer for. Would like to hear what others say.

I will swear up and down that .25/.50 zone is easier to beat than .10/.25 zone.

Not sure if that is due to bots, or grinders, or mileage varying..

Not only Stud8/b, but in regular stud too. I play 1/2 Stud and the tables will be empty for days, but as soon as I sit down there would be one, then two, then maybe 3 players at the table. And like you say some would play a few hands then sit out. It is clear that something fishy is going on. So i started doing the same thing. I would wait until there were at least 3 of us and then sit out, and one of them would stop playing and sit out or leave.

I definitely believe ACR uses house bots (prop players) because I play stud and its harder to fill the cash games. I rarely ever see a full table of Stud High but if I sit down by myself or heads up, suddenly players show up. Then they would sit out after a few hands. I tested this theory by sitting in a game with at least 3 players then sitting out myself, or leaving the table all together. Then the other "players" would leave also.

I also think the RNG is skewed. There are just too many coolers. I would love for one of the data miners to run an analysis on say 1M hands of ACR and compare it for equity. I would bet a stack that its off by 3-5%.

Losing on ACR always feels different. Off

to me it felt like they would auto sit when a third player sat down. it had to be a script the way they show up and leave so fast .

I ended up +6500 there last year on stud8 but it definitely felt off at the end with that bot playing and what felt like card sharing near the end.

the way they auto sat after table being empty for hours/days always had me wondering. I have given up that site now. hope others do the same.

Please take the dumbass rigged % posts to the appropriate place.

Just cause they haven't caught bots doesn't mean it's rigged. Nothing worse than rigged posts.

literally every single reg knew, who is the bot. This was bot patch until October 2023

Here you have HH.

Thank you for your nice screenshots. They were easy to peel.

Shill detected

He is completely right though.
I am not worried about big sites having a rigged RNG.
Very worried however about these botfarms, colliders, players using RTA, sites being vulnerable to hackers (closer to rigged rng but different because of it being rigged by outsiders instead of outsiders)

For people questioning WPN's or any other sites RNG there is this thread:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dition-255990/

The RNGs aren't literally rigged, but the bot farms can steal enough equity from you through card removal that the game is literally rigged against you.

In essence, its exactly the same thing.

Not sure if this is relevant, but I decided to cash out from ACR and the Bitcoin transfer worked (took 20h to complete).

Both stakes are totally destroyable, very soft

There are seating scripts for WPN and Chico Network. That are relatively easily available.

1/7/23 Vigmosta 3b/c AJo SB-UTG1 for 50bbs
Just checked Sharkscope, first game 5/17/23 has played 2,200 games in 7 months

FinnWhite (named in post #348) vs kop6duzer (named in OP)

Hand is from September '23

It might be the rake.

WPN is the only network in my 15 years of playing I have a negative ROI on with a sizeable sample size. I've put serious volume on Stars preblack Friday and legal stars,Tilt,BOL,Ignition,Global, and Bovada off the top of my head. I know quite a few long term winners who also struggle on WPN while winning nearly everywhere else.

Not saying nobody is beating the games for a decent take but if you're you gotta be a really elite top 0.5% player or just ran good on some major MTTS.

If Nagy was serious about running a fair site he would of banned the countries that are notorious for cheating long ago. Its very obv this site has had massive collusion and tons of cheating for quite awhile.

A rigged (or buggy) RNG is that way because of the action (or negligence) of the site operator. A bot farm is run by a third party to take advantage of the site and the people who play there. Huge difference.

You do know that collective punishment is a war crime, right?

WPN is clearly not capable of distinguishing bots/colluders/RTA users from the player pool. Its been obv for a long time they need to just ban the countries that have the highest % of these players. Unfortunately their is some legit players that would be collateral damage but thats how it goes in many areas of life.

Pretty much every major site is banning some countries from playing there for different reasons. Its not a "war crime" its smart business.

well if you mean they both end up with you losing.. but the reasons for losing are way way different.
also, the lossrate is completely different. I was and am beating games where bot rings are active (although i rather see them gone obv) but no way i could beat a site with a RNG rigged against me

Bust out hand of one of the accounts thought to be a bot from a tournament today:

https://play.acrpoker.eu/online-poke...a77d16df199da9

Looked up the Sharkscope information about the account in question, Slayeryl, and it is up something like $10,000 (no longer have the exact details), having played a little over 1,000 tournaments, with multiple significant cashes throughout that time.

If this account is, in fact, a bot, it would be interesting to know what it is about the way it is programmed that caused it to check call the turn and river, ultimately calling all in on the river for about 15 big blinds with nothing but ace high on a connected board. It played passively, instead of applying pressure, although it was playing the pot out of position, of course.

"The RNG was rigged" vs "You felt like the RNG was rigged because a bot network shared hole cards and conspired against you"

I don't think fish or bad regs care about that distinction. That distinction also gets incredibly blurry once you start talking about house run bots.

Anyways, not trying to derail with a riggie discussion, just think its interesting.

Why don't you show us your totally destroyable graph of these stakes then.