Hasn’t all this been known for basically forever?

I thought it was just common knowledge that playing on ACR meant competing with bots, cheaters and colluders.

Everyone I know only plays on ACR with money they don’t care about and they print money in other forms of poker so can afford to blast off a little on Sundays and whatnot.

I really thought it was common knowledge already to not play for meaningful money on ACR but I guess most people are dumber than dogsht.

I binked one of their Sunday tourneys, immediately cashed everything out and haven’t played there since except using some free money they’ve given me. This was years ago.

Why would he make a dumb call that wins 0% of the time just because he can rebuy?

Population probably overfolds to the river raise and you probably have literally 0 bluffs in that spot. Maybe that guy is a bot but I don’t see how your HH proves anything.

The guy is a bot because he didn’t throw his last 5 blinds away in a totally futile spot? Where is the logic in that?

Easy. He clearly is trying to inflate the pot for KK. I seriously question your poker acumen if you cannot see this. Whatever positions they were don’t remember : Co limp, SB limp, BB (hero) raise 5.5 (could be value could be bluff at this point) CO cold calls, SB re-raises (26bb) BB FLAT (obvious he has a strong holding at this point = time to put in a reraise w KK = mission accomplished. The amount of times nonsense **** like this has happened to me deep in MTTs is ridiculous and it’s not hard to tell.

The only question is when/if they will issue refunds and will it be the jack shite, normal response of $12.29, while Boski and other ACR pros receive 10s of thousands?

That quickly went south...

So yeah these bots ya say they took 10 mil out of our systems...

It's horrible.

And sites are still trying to disable mining and collect data
Of course, these investigations and findings are only a small % of scammers caught, but they are important too.
The scale for 2023 is horrifying, it would seem that the bot problem has been solved long ago, but no

You are missing the point here. Yes, it's obviously a possible and not even 'the worst' play -- but for such a low value rebuy event, it's suspect behavior. We're looking for indicators here, and in aggregate when we collect enough evidence it will be obvious. Trying to use my massive ACR hand database to do this.

Let's be constructive and figure this out together

OR they are involved or entangled with them somehow...

Was under the impression that botters would shy away from pkos due to the added bounty complication but I saw last night's big field pkos were littered with the listed bots (type B).

Withdrew my balance. It's a miserable experience at the best of times with its absurdly long late reg so good riddance.

From my analysis, you are missing "selfassurance","swompingv1ce". Hands are there, maybe you just forgot to add them. PM me if you need details.

Are there tables that bots not prefer like bomb pot and 7 day rat hole tables? IÂ’m pretty sure they can program anything but I thought maybe these would be tougher for them. Any insight would be much appreciated.

I submitted a email to ACR back in 2018 with a list of bots that most were from "latvia" and some were from Germany, I see a couple of names on this list that I submitted back then which is Nightwa1ker and Scorp1on, they were all coming thru the pokerking skin, if you eliminated the pokerking skin you would eliminate a really high % of the cheating on WPN, most everything nefarious on ACR is coming through the pokerking skin, I think ACR knows exactly who the bots are but they help meet the GTDs in the tourneys and it saves them overlay money.

My guess would be they're using some sort of RTA where it's a human with multiple PCs and a 2nd screen telling them the action, and then they deviate in certain spots because of bounties etc. I seriously doubt a fullly automated bot where a human isn't needed to play is playing even regular MTTs in general, unless a human takes over after a certain stage. It just seems way too unlikely with how complex tournaments are.

But regardless, the main thing here that baffles me is that ACR doesn't automatically flag these accounts early. If you have the community making these lists of obvious bots and they're still active (meaning ACR hasn't found them) then that literally means ACR security dept doesn't actually exist. There's no possible way they can have a security department and not always be scanning their DB for players with statistical anomalies that would go in line with being a bot. It's the first thing a security department should do and be doing it every day. Especially when there's large groups of accounts with basically identical stats that aren't the same as what any of the other human regs have. I mean come on....it's absurd.

If there's hundreds of accounts that random players are finding before ACR themselves, that means ACR is full of **** when claiming they have a security department. There ARE sites who have good security around this type of stuff, ACR has the biggest issues of these kind for a reason.

I'm also basically convinced that lots of their bots were internal.

it's amazing to me that they needed feedback from the community to realize the the outcry such a challenge would cause as opposed to doing inhouse testing. absolute ****ing morons run this company.

these experts they call on better be handsomely compensated for their contributions. something tells me they won't...

That’s what I’ll be signing up for, like everyone else in gray market site

Lets make a bet Limon. If you beat ACR bots over 200k hands i will give you a ford fiesta 1998. If you lose you pay me 2000 dollars

I reported some of them 50 Blitz accounts a couple of years ago as well, they were still playing a year later and they were almost certainly bots. I don't have the data for them but I have got the data from the link in the OP which is higher stakes, it's likely the same set up.

I'm willing to be proven wrong but I'm pretty certain these bots don't share hole card information and aren't colluding it's just how they are programmed to play and the sheer amount of them about makes it look suspicious.

They are fairly aggressive and squeeze a lot more than the pool and they also do a lot of cold calling and balance it with back raising. Theres almost 2-3 of them on every table, so this is just creates an environment where there's more calling and squeezing going on.

That twitch clip hand with 85s does look very bad mind and I'm not sure whats going on there, but I do just think this is part of their programming and they aren't colluding bots.

Haven't played on ACR/WPN in years.

Don't believe the leadership is competent enough to identify scammers/bots. Based on their public comments it seems very possible there's things happening on their network that they're wholly unaware of.

Edit: the "some of these were bots...we've refunded you...for those. Rest assured we've investigated them all" is insulting. Have their released their investigations of each player?

Please everyone immediately stop replying to Limon, you are giving him exactly what he wants and it just clogs up the thread.

He can be infuriating, and it must be tempting to put him in his place, but by doing so it just completely clogs up the thread and gives him exactly what he is after.

Just bite your tongue and skip and it'll clean these threads right up.

https://youtu.be/yy4GNeUD__s?si=OSo2d2_sFlGcCoWm&t=90

In on it or too stupid to realize what's happening.

hurts my brain reading the negative iq in your post

Also just FYI to everyone you can add him to your ignore list by clicking his name and picking the bottom option. I did it today when someone else made me aware we have that option.

It's absurd how much he clogs up these threads that so many people are reading through.

I said they are bots, I'm questioning if they are sharing hole card information. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Ridiculous, this is very concerning for the online poker community. I hope they fix the problem soon