Corporation BotFarm - the biggest bot farm in the world?
07-29-2019
, 03:41 PM
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07-30-2019
, 12:39 AM
Use the red triangle you can find to the left of every post, for future reference.
Not sure what this means, but if you want a mod's attention, you don't do it with bold all-caps posts, but by using the same post report function I referenced above.
That said, as I'm here now (thanks to post reports about the spam), what is your post supposed to mean?
07-30-2019
, 12:53 AM
07-30-2019
, 01:18 AM
07-30-2019
, 02:17 AM
07-30-2019
, 04:00 AM
The post that I'm translating is coming from a small stakes part-time HU SNG player.
NikitaJuS:
I have two stories about bot operators and prompters from my own experience. {in Russian community, the type of software that mostly suggests GTO solutions for a human player, but implies on having a skillful operator that knows how to make exploitative plays is called "подсказчик" or "prompter"}
I have to say, that personally I always played and will continue to play honestly.
Second story is about my father, who was playing HU SNGs 3-4 years ago, while the games were good. Later on that.
Now I'm going to tell, how easy is to become bot operator, and how it works in details.
In the coaching forum, we see this topic:
*screenshot deleted by a mod*
(after my report, topic was deleted and topicstarter banned from gipsyteam.ru)
Right away, description is a red flag. I pretend to be interested and message this guy on skype.
We're having a call, his requirements and details as follows:
1) I will be playing 9-18 tables on iPoker using prompter (twister or spins).
2) Full backing (you don't put your own money at all, they will also provide an account), profits are split 60/40, in their favor.
3) They position themselves as a poker school, and they are coaching (as it turned out - for real).
4) I will need 2-3 monitors, specific router model and a gaming keypad.
[Bot guy]: Mikrotik 941 or 952, second is more expensive but has 3g, your choice.
Razer nostromo you can buy used on avito or youla (russian ebay).
{the dialogue appears to be heavily clipped}
[NikitaJus]: Good. How long does your school exists and how do you deal with game integrity teams?
[Bot guy]: Since 2013. Ask anything, I will answer. We don't play hypers for a long time, spins are better in iPoker, called twisters.
During that time on stars there were only prompters. No fully automated bots. Tomorrow we will set you up and you will see, you won't have prompts, 80% of the play bot is doing for you.
[NikitaJus]: The only thing I wanted to know is at what rates you can beat the games (chipEV or ROI) on mid/small stakes. How much money are we talking about, if you have that info.
[Bot guy]: About .20-.30€ from one tourney. On micros. Good result is 14bb/100. At 2€ it's 16-18bb/100, at 10€ try to get 12bb/100.
Ok, I get the router (I work in IT, don't have to buy).
Specific model is needed to load a settings backup (VPN connection for using remote desktop). Gaming keypad for taking fast actions while multitabling.
I ask them for a test session, we set a connection for 2 PCs, one is for a bot, another for a poker client. We can put the client window on 2 big monitors and play up 18 tables.
How the bot works:
For the most time, it plays itself (all the preflop play, common postflop spots), tougher spots are shown to you on a small monitor, and you play. It looks like this:
Naturally, for making tough decisions you have to be good player yourself, thats why they are coaching. In my case it was a hand review on skype (the coach was very good).
We reviewed 3 hands and I stopped talking to them.
If we take minimum €0.20 EV they promised from one spin, make it 500 spins a day, multiply by 25 working days, we get €1000 EV a month (after their 60% cut, and only minimal winnings).
Play only on stars.
P.S. Can't tell all the details, because I don't want to take any part in this. But in the next post I will tell you how my father was playing in a team like in this on pokerstars, and where it get him.
NikitaJuS:
I have two stories about bot operators and prompters from my own experience. {in Russian community, the type of software that mostly suggests GTO solutions for a human player, but implies on having a skillful operator that knows how to make exploitative plays is called "подсказчик" or "prompter"}
I have to say, that personally I always played and will continue to play honestly.
Second story is about my father, who was playing HU SNGs 3-4 years ago, while the games were good. Later on that.
Now I'm going to tell, how easy is to become bot operator, and how it works in details.
In the coaching forum, we see this topic:
*screenshot deleted by a mod*
(after my report, topic was deleted and topicstarter banned from gipsyteam.ru)
Right away, description is a red flag. I pretend to be interested and message this guy on skype.
We're having a call, his requirements and details as follows:
1) I will be playing 9-18 tables on iPoker using prompter (twister or spins).
2) Full backing (you don't put your own money at all, they will also provide an account), profits are split 60/40, in their favor.
3) They position themselves as a poker school, and they are coaching (as it turned out - for real).
4) I will need 2-3 monitors, specific router model and a gaming keypad.
[Bot guy]: Mikrotik 941 or 952, second is more expensive but has 3g, your choice.
Razer nostromo you can buy used on avito or youla (russian ebay).
{the dialogue appears to be heavily clipped}
[NikitaJus]: Good. How long does your school exists and how do you deal with game integrity teams?
[Bot guy]: Since 2013. Ask anything, I will answer. We don't play hypers for a long time, spins are better in iPoker, called twisters.
During that time on stars there were only prompters. No fully automated bots. Tomorrow we will set you up and you will see, you won't have prompts, 80% of the play bot is doing for you.
[NikitaJus]: The only thing I wanted to know is at what rates you can beat the games (chipEV or ROI) on mid/small stakes. How much money are we talking about, if you have that info.
[Bot guy]: About .20-.30€ from one tourney. On micros. Good result is 14bb/100. At 2€ it's 16-18bb/100, at 10€ try to get 12bb/100.
Ok, I get the router (I work in IT, don't have to buy).
Specific model is needed to load a settings backup (VPN connection for using remote desktop). Gaming keypad for taking fast actions while multitabling.
I ask them for a test session, we set a connection for 2 PCs, one is for a bot, another for a poker client. We can put the client window on 2 big monitors and play up 18 tables.
How the bot works:
For the most time, it plays itself (all the preflop play, common postflop spots), tougher spots are shown to you on a small monitor, and you play. It looks like this:
Naturally, for making tough decisions you have to be good player yourself, thats why they are coaching. In my case it was a hand review on skype (the coach was very good).
We reviewed 3 hands and I stopped talking to them.
If we take minimum €0.20 EV they promised from one spin, make it 500 spins a day, multiply by 25 working days, we get €1000 EV a month (after their 60% cut, and only minimal winnings).
Play only on stars.
P.S. Can't tell all the details, because I don't want to take any part in this. But in the next post I will tell you how my father was playing in a team like in this on pokerstars, and where it get him.
07-30-2019
, 04:52 AM
And the second post from him.
NikitaJus:
From 2000s my father was counting cards, this was our main family income.
If someone is interested in advantage gambling against casino - let me know.
In 2015-2016, when casinos in Russia were already banned for a long time, and in best foreign casinos you are black-listed, you struggle to find a work with your skillset.
An offer comes up from his old buddies. 10 years ago these guys were playing in one of those offices, that you discussed here in previous posts{small office, you work there as a PC operator, pressing poker client buttons that are suggested to you onscreen}.
That was a golden era of online poker, playing cash shortstacked, we won't talk about it now.
I.
So, the people are already working, partly in Novosibirsk, partly in Sochi. No special skills required.
They fly you in Sochi, buy you a PC and pay rent for a flat, where you will live with other operators.
150$ for a ticket, 600$ for a PC, 600$ for a deposit. We register a stars account for our name, and get a $ debit card for cashing out.
We're gonna play $3-7 HU SNGs, only 4-5 tables, because you click all the buttons yourself, and make some decisions too. Later they came up with autoclicks, you only need to hover a specific table.
Those who were more experienced played up to 8 tables, and stakes were higher.
Profits are 50/50.
What was the software like (prompter):
Written in C#, using an OCR-library (text detection from a screen area) for getting a game state on a table.
Your hand, board, blinds positions, pot size, bets.
Like this (screenshot from google):
It is necessary for the client and prompter to be run on separate PCs (you run the prompter, you also run the client but using remote desktop/virtual machine).
Prompter reads the screen, processes the info, and shows you some numbers around chat window. These numbers correspond to hotkeys you are pressing on your numpad.
For the proper screen capture, you'd have to use fixed table positions, layout settings (specific card deck) and hotkeys, that are set in prompter.
Opponents actions are imported to a regular database.
Nicknames, all the possible actions (about 100 for each), and how much specific actions they took.
All the databases are put on a single FTP-server, where the prompter gets the player stats.
After it gets the info from your table, it makes a decision based on its algorithm and player stats, and outputs a number.
Like in previous example, some decisions you have to make yourself.
Allowed software: SessionLord - auto-seats to specific opponents (ITM 48-49%) and PokerTracker.
Play all the time, more - better. Relax in Sochi, cashing out money.
All good, but one month later we get an e-mail from Stars.
Everyone connected to the team was frozen and got the same e-mail. Knowing that final decision will take time, they send everyone home.
{There are parts II & III in NikitaJus post, but they don't bring much info, just some stats. If you wanna look them up, go to his original post and check last spoiler.}
NikitaJus:
From 2000s my father was counting cards, this was our main family income.
If someone is interested in advantage gambling against casino - let me know.
In 2015-2016, when casinos in Russia were already banned for a long time, and in best foreign casinos you are black-listed, you struggle to find a work with your skillset.
An offer comes up from his old buddies. 10 years ago these guys were playing in one of those offices, that you discussed here in previous posts{small office, you work there as a PC operator, pressing poker client buttons that are suggested to you onscreen}.
That was a golden era of online poker, playing cash shortstacked, we won't talk about it now.
I.
So, the people are already working, partly in Novosibirsk, partly in Sochi. No special skills required.
They fly you in Sochi, buy you a PC and pay rent for a flat, where you will live with other operators.
150$ for a ticket, 600$ for a PC, 600$ for a deposit. We register a stars account for our name, and get a $ debit card for cashing out.
We're gonna play $3-7 HU SNGs, only 4-5 tables, because you click all the buttons yourself, and make some decisions too. Later they came up with autoclicks, you only need to hover a specific table.
Those who were more experienced played up to 8 tables, and stakes were higher.
Profits are 50/50.
What was the software like (prompter):
Written in C#, using an OCR-library (text detection from a screen area) for getting a game state on a table.
Your hand, board, blinds positions, pot size, bets.
Like this (screenshot from google):
It is necessary for the client and prompter to be run on separate PCs (you run the prompter, you also run the client but using remote desktop/virtual machine).
Prompter reads the screen, processes the info, and shows you some numbers around chat window. These numbers correspond to hotkeys you are pressing on your numpad.
For the proper screen capture, you'd have to use fixed table positions, layout settings (specific card deck) and hotkeys, that are set in prompter.
Opponents actions are imported to a regular database.
Nicknames, all the possible actions (about 100 for each), and how much specific actions they took.
All the databases are put on a single FTP-server, where the prompter gets the player stats.
After it gets the info from your table, it makes a decision based on its algorithm and player stats, and outputs a number.
Like in previous example, some decisions you have to make yourself.
Allowed software: SessionLord - auto-seats to specific opponents (ITM 48-49%) and PokerTracker.
Play all the time, more - better. Relax in Sochi, cashing out money.
All good, but one month later we get an e-mail from Stars.
Everyone connected to the team was frozen and got the same e-mail. Knowing that final decision will take time, they send everyone home.
{There are parts II & III in NikitaJus post, but they don't bring much info, just some stats. If you wanna look them up, go to his original post and check last spoiler.}