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12-18-2014 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwerty12
I don't get why people are so outraged by this guy...so he scams a few gullible people and yeah he can be prosecuted for it but who gives a fk. It's not like he's mugging people.

I get asked for money 10 times a day by homeless people holding signs or telling me some bs story about why they need the money. I can't remember ever giving them anything but my wife can't walk past one of them without giving them a few dollars and she knows their stories are bs and they're just going to spend it on grog or drugs or whatever.

I just don't get why people think this guy is so despicable. He's obviously just a desperate degen and if you don't want to give him cash then don't.
I agree but its against the law and he has done this countless times. Obviously no airport is safe. Put him away for life imo he doesn't want help obviously . Countless people offered him help , shelter go to meetings with him when he was outed in las vegas. You can't help someone if that person doesn't want to be helped. It was obvious the last time around he had no intention of changing his ways.

Help he needs is a jail cell for life.
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12-18-2014 , 12:50 PM
Offender Name: MICHAEL BOROVETZ [vinelink.com]
Offender ID:0000443521
Date of Birth:01/07/1975
Age: 39
Race: White
Gender: Male

Custody Status: Out of Custody

Date: 12/12/2014
Reason:General release

Bench warrant for failure to appear in 3...2...
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12-18-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Slam254
Did you see the Denzel Washington movie "Flight"? It wasn't until his character went to prison that he got recovery. And that is based on a true story.

If prison is "punitative", he should be punished. If prison has an element of rehabilitation, he needs to be locked-up and "get religion", so to speak.

Prison is the next right move.

"Flight" was not based on a true story.
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12-18-2014 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
Stay Strong

Do we think he's getting prison or will he get off on probation?

If he gets time I think it will be under 2 years.

Any chance he pleads out and gets it dropped to a misdemeanor?
Mike won't get much if any jail time, This is a non-violent crime and despite the posters on here trying to make it a Class 4 Felony, it should be easily pleaded to a misdemeanor or dropped completely if the judge signs off on some kinda rehab.

Still rooting for Mike, Get Strong and Stay there......
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12-18-2014 , 03:24 PM
It's a Class H felony.

I think he's a long-shot to get his charges reduced to a misdemeanor and I'd be shocked if they were dropped altogether since he has four prior felony convictions for forgery/burglary and has arrests in 10 different states.

I hope he gets the help he obviously needs.
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12-18-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sba9630
I hope he gets the help he obviously needs.
Needing something and wanting something are two very different things.
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12-18-2014 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JacKnight21
"Flight" was not based on a true story.
in 1990 pilot Joe Balzer flew a commercial plane from Fargo ND to Minneapolis MN. He and two others were acting goofy as they boarded the plane. The flight went without incident but the 3 men went to prison.

Balzer got out of prison, and eventually got his pilots license back and was hired by American Airlines and flew airplanes again. And he spoke to large Companies about employees/alcoholism/addiction.

That part of the movie was taken from Balzer's story.
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12-18-2014 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
I was thinking the exact same thing. Looks like we're again gonna have a 100 page debate between:

Group A, who believes that Mike is a POS felon degen who should rot in prison forever, and:
Group B, who believes that Mike is a degen, but what he does isn't so bad, and they don't understand what the big deal is.

By the way, I'm in group A, but I do believe he should be allowed to be eligible for parole with good behavior in 20 years!😉
You really think 20 years is a fair punishment????
Let me guess, you are from the US? I am glad I do not live in your world...

Small sentence and mandatory help from a shrink would be my choice...
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12-18-2014 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Flartels
You really think 20 years is a fair punishment????
Let me guess, you are from the US? I am glad I do not live in your world...

Small sentence and mandatory help from a shrink would be my choice...
I was being sarcastic about 20 years, and yes I do live in the US, and I'm very proud that I do. A small sentence will not deter Mike from continuing to commit his crimes, and "mandatory help" will be of no benefit, since he obviously doesn't want help.
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12-18-2014 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
I was being sarcastic about 20 years, and yes I do live in the US, and I'm very proud that I do. A small sentence will not deter Mike from continuing to commit his crimes, and "mandatory help" will be of no benefit, since he obviously doesn't want help.
If Mike gets time locked up in Charlotte, which is in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, he may not get a choice regarding "mandatory help":

"YOUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE .... BUILDING CHARACTER, NOT JAILS"

http://mcsowebsvr.co.mecklenburg.nc....burg/index.asp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik6dXm-0l0

Last edited by Gzesh; 12-18-2014 at 07:39 PM.
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12-18-2014 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
I was being sarcastic about 20 years, and yes I do live in the US, and I'm very proud that I do. A small sentence will not deter Mike from continuing to commit his crimes, and "mandatory help" will be of no benefit, since he obviously doesn't want help.
A former brother-in-law always had a job but he supplemented his income by shoplifting. He mostly took new CDs for resale as used and made quite a lot of money doing it. When E-Bay came long he expanded to electronics and sports equipment. He very good at it but he also liked stealing anything, a tube of toothpaste say, even if he had money. Of course he would be caught eventually would sent be to a prison camp for 3 months, then 6 months then a year but it was easy time. He did 4 stints while I knew him and in the last ten years I'm sure he's done more time by now. The point being is he loved to steal, small or big.
Prison was no deterrent for him and I'm sure it will just be a rest stop for a professional grifter like Mike.
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12-18-2014 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Shame on 2p2 for allowing this continued bashing of borovetz and not even letting the man defend himself or explain his actions.
I used to wonder why people were so critical of you and I often felt sorry for you when they bashed you, but I didn't know you. Now I understand. You are in a completely different dimension than the rest of the human race.
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12-18-2014 , 08:22 PM
I still don't understand why this is a felony. If people are stupid enough to give him a couple hundred dollars then more power to his hustle.
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12-18-2014 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Yes, those would be the two extreme groups. Fortunately, most of us fall into the more rational group that lies in between.

The problems of addiction and mental illness are real, but so are the realities of the crimes and their effect on society. It's not all black and white. Mike needs help, and he also deserves punishment.
I agree

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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
Stay Strong

Do we think he's getting prison or will he get off on probation?

If he gets time I think it will be under 2 years.

Any chance he pleads out and gets it dropped to a misdemeanor?
VERY likely it gets dropped. If not Mike should go to trial, he met the victims at an airport, the likelihood of them testifying at trial is minuscule The DA needs the victim to win at trial, a statement is not enough because Mikes attorney can not cross examine

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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
Mike won't get much if any jail time, This is a non-violent crime and despite the posters on here trying to make it a Class 4 Felony, it should be easily pleaded to a misdemeanor or dropped completely if the judge signs off on some kinda rehab.

Still rooting for Mike, Get Strong and Stay there......
Completely dropped For a repeat, actually habitual offender ? Not likely. Mike does need to get strong, you are right about that.


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Originally Posted by sba9630
It's a Class H felony.

I think he's a long-shot to get his charges reduced to a misdemeanor and I'd be shocked if they were dropped altogether since he has four prior felony convictions for forgery/burglary and has arrests in 10 different states.

I hope he gets the help he obviously needs.
Due to victim availability I disagree with your opinion regarding a plea deal. However I also hope this sad fella turns it around
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12-19-2014 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
I agree



VERY likely it gets dropped. If not Mike should go to trial, he met the victims at an airport, the likelihood of them testifying at trial is minuscule The DA needs the victim to win at trial, a statement is not enough because Mikes attorney can not cross examine



Completely dropped For a repeat, actually habitual offender ? Not likely. Mike does need to get strong, you are right about that.




Due to victim availability I disagree with your opinion regarding a plea deal. However I also hope this sad fella turns it around
If he grifted a local he is screwed. If it's somebody out of state or country then it could be reduced charges. But at some point even trespassing charges become a felony if you are constantly convicted of it. 5 times in 2 days sounds constantly to me....
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12-19-2014 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
VERY likely it gets dropped. If not Mike should go to trial, he met the victims at an airport, the likelihood of them testifying at trial is minuscule The DA needs the victim to win at trial, a statement is not enough because Mikes attorney can not cross examine
Based on the way he responded here last time, there is an excellent chance that he provided sufficient evidence to secure a conviction voluntarily and they can convict him on his statement alone.
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12-19-2014 , 05:51 AM
Thread is awesome just cause the mere existence pisses off chainsaw, which is fair since I get pissed off every time I see a new kessler thread about structures and payouts
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12-19-2014 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
I was being sarcastic about 20 years, and yes I do live in the US, and I'm very proud that I do. A small sentence will not deter Mike from continuing to commit his crimes, and "mandatory help" will be of no benefit, since he obviously doesn't want help.
I think he does want help but he is to weak atm. Therefor a sentence in combination with mandatory help would be the best solution imo. The difference is that I think he is sick and you think he is just a scumbag (and maybe he is that also...)

What kind of sentence would you see fit?
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12-19-2014 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Slam254
I'm one of the suckers who expressed sympathy towards him here for his addiction. We PM'd, then spoke on the phone. He never asked me for a dime and we tried to go to a GA meeting together but he got cold feet.

He was genuinely devastated for what had become of his life. He was articulate, thoughtful, and sad. And he was brutally honest about how bad off he was.

If you argue "it's not an addiction!", maybe you're right ... I'm not an expert, just a recovering drug addict alcoholic trying to reach out to a fellow addict.

Call me an idiot, but talking to Mike felt like the right thing to do. I'd do it again. And if that makes me a chump, then so be it.
idk this guy and so i don't know s*** if he's "addicted" or not ... but everyone, who thinks a "gambling problem" is just a problem, is an idiot.

the best thing i ever read about this topic, was an article from a former parliament member in australia. she got addicted to pokies and described, that she don't want to called problem gambler, because it is an addiction.

and if your addicted, you can't control your behavior and if you can't finance your addiction, you try to get money be all means necessary
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12-19-2014 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JAAASH
I still don't understand why this is a felony. If people are stupid enough to give him a couple hundred dollars then more power to his hustle.
Because of the amount he stole and the fact that it was under false pretenses. He promised to pay the money back he didn't ask for a few dollars like a bum, he does it in 200 and more dollar chunks. When a bum begs you for money there is no expectation of a return on your money. The bum doesn't give you his id and promise to pay you back with an elaborate ruse. A scam which is what Borovetz is running is a scheme to defraud which is why its a felony based on the amount scammed.

The way he springs his scam into action is just evil genius. I have listened to him on podcasts he is articulate and well spoken. To choose an airport is another ingenious method. People are harried usually looking to leave the airport or board their plane. He takes huge advantage over their normal defense mechanisms plus the fact that people have probably been in his position or can relate to his supposed story and how it would suck to be stuck at an airport. He found a soft spot and has perfected his scam over the years which is why its his go to scam he doesn't need to escalate his crime its the perfect crime for him. His only cure is a jail cell . The unfortunate part is that jail doesn't generally have the types of services intense counseling he needs so when he gets out he will just pick up where he left off.

By your argument when scamers call in telemarketing scams and you are stupid enough to get fooled and give them money then more power to their hustle? Like when they call for real charities and keep the monies etc?

Last edited by ZeckoRiver; 12-19-2014 at 07:50 AM.
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12-19-2014 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
Because of the amount he stole and the fact that it was under false pretenses. He promised to pay the money back he didn't ask for a few dollars like a bum, he does it in 200 and more dollar chunks. When a bum begs you for money there is no expectation of a return on your money. The bum doesn't give you his id and promise to pay you back with an elaborate ruse. A scam which is what Borovetz is running is a scheme to defraud which is why its a felony based on the amount scammed.

The way he springs his scam into action is just evil genius. I have listened to him on podcasts he is articulate and well spoken. To choose an airport is another ingenious method. People are harried usually looking to leave the airport or board their plane. He takes huge advantage over their normal defense mechanisms plus the fact that people have probably been in his position or can relate to his supposed story and how it would suck to be stuck at an airport. He found a soft spot and has perfected his scam over the years which is why its his go to scam he doesn't need to escalate his crime its the perfect crime for him. His only cure is a jail cell . The unfortunate part is that jail doesn't generally have the types of services intense counseling he needs so when he gets out he will just pick up where he left off.

By your argument when scamers call in telemarketing scams and you are stupid enough to get fooled and give them money then more power to their hustle? Like when they call for real charities and keep the monies etc?
There is a huge difference between asking for money face to face in a public space and mass phoning people on their personal telephone lines in their personal spaces. You're comparing cucumbers to oranges.
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12-19-2014 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JAAASH
There is a huge difference between asking for money face to face in a public space and mass phoning people on their personal telephone lines in their personal spaces. You're comparing cucumbers to oranges.
You are obviously trolling if you don't see what he is doing as fraud. The law is the law in either case I am sorry you aren't able to comprehend that asking people for large amounts of money under the guise of a loan with no intent to return the money is indeed a crime. I have added you to my list sadly.

Last edited by ZeckoRiver; 12-19-2014 at 09:53 AM.
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12-19-2014 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JAAASH
There is a huge difference between asking for money face to face in a public space and mass phoning people on their personal telephone lines in their personal spaces. You're comparing cucumbers to oranges.
If you believe this, then I've got some special bottled water guaranteed to make you a winning poker player. I'd love to sell a few cases to you - when can we meet?
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12-19-2014 , 10:43 AM
I think this guy is past the point of return to a normal life. Even if he disappears from the radar for a while, I bet in a couple of years a new "Borovetz at it yet again" thread will inevitably appear on these boards.
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12-19-2014 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JKB22
If you believe this, then I've got some special bottled water guaranteed to make you a winning poker player. I'd love to sell a few cases to you - when can we meet?
A bottle of water that gives poker playing abilities? Sounds like you've just given Mike his next airport sales scheme. I'm sure if people are stupid enough to give him a couple hundred dollars they'd be just as stupid to buy this "product."
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