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01-18-2014 , 09:31 PM

#726

pokertwoplustwolover

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,630

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Originally Posted by Malojinn

Well they'd be paying $500 * 4800 entries cause they would be paying the entire prize pool out so somewhere around 2.4 mill?

The only amount they "lost" was all the $$$ refunded to the people who busted. The money that all the people who cashed were paid was already in the prize pool and not a loss per say

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01-18-2014 , 09:32 PM

#727

pipes

banned

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,340

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Originally Posted by Beefeater

Grunching // if every entrant (even those who busted) get refunded, but they do an ICM chop or whatever for the 27 left, what's the total amount that Borgata would lose on the tourney?

But how much did the Borgata win?

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01-18-2014 , 09:32 PM

#728

pninwin

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 479

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Originally Posted by schundler

What about anyone who made it into the final 27, who through no fault of their own, is subject to a chip chop with no say in the matter? If you were lucky enough to make it into the last 3 tables of a 4800-person tournament, and felt you had a significant edge on the field, wouldn't you want to play it out (what should happen anyway)?

A chop is just a proxy for playing out the tournament, so why enforce a chop that surely would not be unanimous if the players actually had a say, when it solves nothing with regard to the actual problem-the 1% extra chips in play?

Obviously, if you can identify a cheater in the final 27, eliminate him, but the only fair solution for the remaining players is just to finish the tournament as intended.

i agree and we were even told that playing it out would be a possibility but several players, under duress obviously, said they would not return to the casino and made it clear that this was not an option for them

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01-18-2014 , 09:38 PM

#729

FRYTWO

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 493

"@TheColdStone: 5 million in chip found at harrahs sewage or toilet tank. Who in the last 18 left stayed at harrahs?"

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01-18-2014 , 09:42 PM

#730

Malojinn

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 4

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Originally Posted by bentaylor1988

The only amount they "lost" was all the $$$ refunded to the people who busted. The money that all the people who cashed were paid was already in the prize pool and not a loss per say

They're paying prizes out for 4800 players and only "collecting" $ from the players that cashed then? So $500 * 4400ish players is what they lose? Either way it's over two million.

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01-18-2014 , 09:43 PM

#731

pninwin

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 479

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Originally Posted by alwayschillin19

as much heat as Men the 'Master' is getting right now, can you imagine if he was one of the 27 left...LOL

Amazingly Men was in the card room today. I have to say he looked utterly poised and content, maybe I'm just a guy who follows the herd but I just assumed he was the guilty party. He was literally standing fifty feet away from where we 27 players were gathered waiting to hear the bad news. I don't know what to make of this. Either he is innocent and we have rushed to judgment or he is one coooooooool grifter.

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01-18-2014 , 09:46 PM

#732

pninwin

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 479

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrAdvantage

why not subject the remaining 27 players to lie detector tests?

they took photos of our driver's licenses and said we might need to be called for information but it seems like studying the video is how they hope to find out who exactly cheated

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01-18-2014 , 09:48 PM

#733

doublejoker

Old News

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,953

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzach

Everyone counts their stack prior to starting.. the fact that they acknowledged this and it was fine blows my mind

All these people saying they started with 25k stacks are cheaters as well.

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01-18-2014 , 09:54 PM

#734

FlapJacks316

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 456

Quote:

Originally Posted by pninwin

if he legit just packed up and left the Borgata, thats basically admitting guilt.

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01-18-2014 , 09:55 PM

#735

pipes

banned

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,340

Quote:

Originally Posted by pninwin

they took photos of our driver's licenses and said we might need to be called for information but it seems like studying the video is how they hope to find out who exactly cheated

would be a real sick beat if they claimed you were one of the cheaters and you ended in jail

somehow my 10k wsop loss to a one outer doesn't seem that bad

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01-18-2014 , 09:56 PM

#736

PSUMike1999

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,118

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Originally Posted by pninwin

Men has been doing this for years. I'm sure he knows how to act in the midst of a controversy by now.

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01-18-2014 , 09:57 PM

#737

Tyler Durden

banned

Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 15,299

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Originally Posted by pipes

ha ha hate this..so if the cheaters are still in there they will get more money

And there could be people who got busted because they were covered by guys with pumped up stacks

Love this song. It's by Foster The People, right?

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01-18-2014 , 09:57 PM

#738

PSUMike1999

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,118

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Originally Posted by pipes

would be a real sick beat if they claimed you were one of the cheaters and you ended in jail

somehow my 10k wsop loss to a one outer doesn't seem that bad

You're sayin Pninwin might be 1 of the cheaters????

Pretty inflammatory post, joking or not.

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01-18-2014 , 09:58 PM

#739

JamesD816

adept

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 994

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

All these people saying they started with 25k stacks are cheaters as well.

Have to agree with DJ here. It's amazing how these people can even complain about what has transpired. " I was willing to cheat a little how dare you cheat a lot????" seems to be there logic.

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01-18-2014 , 10:00 PM

#740

pipes

banned

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,340

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

You're sayin Pninwin might be 1 of the cheaters????

Pretty inflammatory post, joking or not.

umm, no

ever watch Boardwalk Empire? innocent guys take the fall a lot

But raise you hand if you know who Pninwin is

But I wouldn't take anything lightly with Pninwin if I were him...if anything made me uncomfortable I would consult an attorney

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01-18-2014 , 10:02 PM

#741

pipes

banned

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,340

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Love this song. It's by Foster The People, right?

Pumped up Kicks...yeah, not bad

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01-18-2014 , 10:04 PM

#742

alwayschillin19

enthusiast

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 83

I KNOW FOR A FACT IF THIS WAS MATT SAVAGE'S TOURNAMENT, no matter who said what, Matt would of made some kind of post/statement even if he wouldn't say much of consequence but he would say something....

Tab , the self proclaimed equal to Matt, where you at?!?

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01-18-2014 , 10:07 PM

#743

Coasterbrad

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,712

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Originally Posted by JamesD816

Have to agree with DJ here. It's amazing how these people can even complain about what has transpired. " I was willing to cheat a little how dare you cheat a lot????" seems to be there logic.

I'm sure there are plenty of players out of the 4,814 entries that did not know what the proper starting stack was supposed to be. Put a few of them at the same table where they all start with the same amount of chips and I find it much more likely for them to believe it was supposed to be a 25k starting stack than for them to willingly start with an unfair advantage over the rest of the field. This part of the problem falls way more on Borgata's shoulders than those players, imo.

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01-18-2014 , 10:10 PM

#744

Videopro

Making TV

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,461

Quote:

Originally Posted by doublejoker

All these people saying they started with 25k stacks are cheaters as well.

I think Tab is claiming that didn't happen:

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01-18-2014 , 10:12 PM

#745

MicroRoller

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,533

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Wow, I find myself agreeing with two AK posts in a single day!

Good thing this type of imbroglio doesn't come up often.

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01-18-2014 , 10:18 PM

#746

DrDanimal

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,539

Quote:

Originally Posted by schundler

I would wan't to play it out but the integrity of the tournament has long been compromised. What can you do.

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01-18-2014 , 10:20 PM

#747

ohsnapzach

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDanimal

I would wan't to play it out but the integrity of the tournament has long been compromised. What can you do.

Drive over to Revel and cry into their super soft and luscious pillows

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01-18-2014 , 10:23 PM

#748

schundler

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,640

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDanimal

I would wan't to play it out but the integrity of the tournament has long been compromised. What can you do.

You can play it out. Why does this make a chip chop a superior option?

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01-18-2014 , 10:23 PM

#749

pninwin

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 479

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipes

hmmmm, i know i didn't cheat so the only scenario where i see myself getting an attorney is if i need help getting paid. but maybe you have a point that i should just stfu