Great fix, you really showed him.

I'll take both sides for 10k.

Did I do this right??

Borgata should refund everybody twice and invite the final 27 for a 3mil freeroll after they get paid out their icm chop.

They were fake chips so 25k doesn't make sense.

no lol

Looks good technically, but I wouldn't be happy if I were no. 27. Let's face it, anything could happen. I've won tournaments where I've been down to a single blind at one point.

sick name

No, that way of doing it pays way too much to the big stacks and too little to the short stacks. At a minimum, you should award everyone 27th place money and only chip-chop what remains after that. A full ICM chop would probably be better (though I don't know where to find an ICM calculator for more than 10 players).

LMAO

I wasn't sure the formula I just figured remaining prize pool * player stack averages

Haha!

the chances card rooms get shut down for good because they only bring in 11% of the profit is low..poker players gamble in the pits and eat at casinos, and attend shows etc. mostly due to that they are playing cards there anyway, not because they go to casinos to piss their money away in their free time

please change thread title to work in the word "imbroglio"

+1

why did this happen ?

why not just play online poker ?

Pure speculation on my part but it's possible they can't proceed with distributing the remaining prize money among the final 27 because one of them is the perpetrator? If so they will surely want to have all the charges filed, legal hurdles cleared, etc before redistributing.

-ActionBob

Because people in the Borgata MTT threads wanted bigger and bigger guarantees . Borgata obliged and the fields continued to swell. A necessary by-product of that is shorter levels or it becomes a week long event.

FFS its a $560 BI event. 30 min levels on Day 1 is fine.

Lots of deep legal expertise itt.

Someone please say "class action" again. It's been a few posts

Hehe, obv was just leveling to see if anyone pays attention. Good to see some other gambooler degens ITT.

Kevmath just retweeted someone saying refunds for everyone and top 27 get paid by chip counts

A refund is definitely in order for all those that played, but is an ICM chop really fair to the final 27? We all know, no matter what decision is made, not everyone is going to be happy. How could it with over 4000 players?

I think if it is found that NONE of the final 27 are the culprits, they should not be punished by not being able to finish the tournament even if it is at a later date. For those from out of town, Borgata should be offering flight, and room and board to get back. Even if it is one or two found to be involved, maybe split up their chips evenly across the remaining HONEST players. Take their payouts, and pay that to those that busted right before them as long as they are not involved obv.

The problem is, we may never know who all was involved and that's the reason I believe it is being canceled. I think if they knew exactly how many were responsible and who they were, then they would have postponed it instead of cancelling it. I have a feeling they might have a few ideas, but they definitely don't have concrete on anyone yet is my feeling. I hope I am wrong about that.

I feel bad for those in the 27 who played an honest game and got deep in this huge field. Although the 5k chips were introduced, and maybe a some players were busted by players with more chips then they were supposed to have, you still had to play cards regardless to get through the field. I don't think the 27 should be punished when in reality they played clueless (Lets hope most anyway) to the fact there was cheating going on and they earned their spot in the final 3 tables by playing good poker.

Really crappy deal for all involved, but those 27 deserve a better shake regardless. ICM might be the only way, but I still don't find that fair either, but its looking like that is what will end up happening.

5:12-114 Unlawful use of bogus chips or gaming billets, marked cards, dice, cheating devices, unlawful coins; penalty.

(2)Knowingly to use or possess any cheating device with intent to cheat or defraud.

e.Any person who violates this section is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree and notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:43-3 shall be subject to a fine of not more than $50,000, and in the case of a person other than a natural person, to a fine of not more than $200,000 and any other appropriate disposition authorized by subsection b. of N.J.S.2C:43-2.

I'm not personally familiar with how the DGE operates, but this is a plain out theft and likely in the 1st degree because we'd assume the end goal was to achieve 1st for over $75k, that's punishable by massive fines and SERIOUS prison time 20+ years. Of course that's very unlikely that they'll ever see that outcome.

Also, there will likely to be trademark infringement / forgery (copying and producing the chips), tampering with evidence (flushing the chips).

Everything but the theft would be a 4th degree offense, up to 18 months in jail.
Again I'm not familiar with how the DGE investigators usually deal with this stuff, but that's my best guess. All considered, I doubt the offenders spend much, if any, time in jail....

People need to realize that one or more of the 27 left could/may be the ones behind the T 5K fake chips...

not the 1st time i have heard an entire table sat w/extra chips.
implies casino error not foul play.

could this all be a cover up of a massive casino F up ?

or maybe both happened.

what a mess