I'm not sure of anything. But I do think this reaches much farther then one guy trying to cheat this one event.

I don't think it's a stretch to think if he was in the counterfeit dvd business he would be doing the same thing with the amount of chips he had.

Why so many? Surely he wasn't planning on using 5m or whatever to pad his stack.

I think he was selling chips and actively involved in some sort of plot to frame someone. Who and why and at who's direction I'm not sure?

We now know he was working with the feds. They knew the chips came in, they let him travel to NJ(unsupervised?) A lot of questions need to be addressed.

Personally I'd think the operators would do everything in their power to keep any story that could cause people to demand refunds, or make them look bad like this, from ever seeing the light of day.

Everything about this story is suspect.

How is it known he was working with the feds? Or that they (the feds) knew before the arrest that he brought chips into NJ?

I do believe that him padding his stack w/ gangster amounts of 5k chips wasn't the main/only motivation or plan for the chips.

I don't believe at all that he was flying solo stashing his kindergartners art work in the toilet trying to cheat at $560 tourney.

I think he is a lot more intelligent then he's been made out to be and as more information comes out, the more those posts seem to bare truth.

read the response in post 3051 to the questions I was asking on page 204.

he was a CI, a federal informant for 19 months

So you are claiming its fact based on the first post from some unknown person?

I'm going to operate as if it's true until I have reason to believe other wise.

the fact that it's her first post and that it came instantly after Lusardi's girlfriend and ex wife were questioned/brought into the thread for the very first time is telling to me. I absolutely believe it. It explains the statements that came to light in the last article.

Too much TV.

Just because someone turns rat/CI doesn't mean he suddenly stopped doing criminal stuff without telling the feds of his new crimes. It also doesn't mean the guy has agents following his every move 24/7.

Word around the borgata was that the fakes were not the spray painted chips but were chips almost identical to actual borgata chips.

Sounds legit but I still can't believe a place like borgata would ever use sticker chips for any tournament with a but in over $40. No edge detail too, unbelievable.

so, no real progress? cool, i'll check in in a month to see how the heels are dragging then.

How long from now can we realistically expect a resolution to be reached?

18 hours, 20 minutes, 15.256 seconds give or take a couple of seconds.

Assuming no other person was involved and they can determine when the first bogus chips were introduced, reimburse buy in for anyone at that table that got bumped out until someone from that table moves to another table or it breaks up. Then reimburse anyone in the rest of the field that got bumped from that point until the money. Bubble boy gets paid last place money.

As for the remaining 27, again assuming none of those can be proven to be involved or to have benefitted from Lusardi dumping chips, split the remaining monies in groups of 9 and divide equally, by places 27-19, 18-10, 9-1, according to chip position. Borgata to make up any difference in overall prize money to ensure that 27th place pays more than 28th.

Borgata has to take responsibility for the costs. There was enough time between when the chips were introduced and the bubble that should have allowed Borgata to pick up on something going on.

No way to know who was at his table during certain time periods.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Although I am one of the 27 that still remains in this tournament, I do believe that other players were at a disadvantage. That being said though, I do not believe that the 27 remaining should suffer with less of a payout than a chop of the remaining prize pool. This is purely a suggestion, but I believe that this is how the Borgata should clear the air...

- The final 27 receive an even chop of the remaining prize pool. (An ICM chop would be better for me, but the guy in 27th place had a legit shot to win the $372K and the guy who is currently in first place could have busted out in 27th place.)

- The 423 players that cashed should keep their cashout amount, unless they didn't receive their total buy-in back. Keep in mind this was a re-buy tourney, so if a player fired 3 $560 bullets and only cashed out for $1000, that player should receive $680 back.

- The people that did not cash should receive their buy-in amounts back.

The Borgata would take a big hit here, but they should. In my opinion, this would be the only way to make everyone happy and continue to maintain such large playing fields in their tournaments.

Imagine a world where the Borgata wont voluntarily go out of pocket 1.2 mill plus to keep everyone happy. If the remaining prize pool is the whole pie, how would you chop it up?

And why would the Borgata want to retain large fields if this becomes there potential exposure each tournament?

Basically ,you just admitted your reading comprehension skills are limited. Not my problem.

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Go to page 204 of the 2+2 NVG "Borgata Uncovers $2.4 Million Counterfeit Chips in WPO Event 1 - Cancels Tournament" thread and begin reading around reply # 3046. At reply # 3051 a new (first time) poster going by the moniker "PokerLady" comes on claiming that Lusardi (who she calls "Chris") has been a CI (Confidential Informant) for the Government since 2012. According to PokerLady, Lusardi has been ratting out "everybody he knows" since 2012. There's also a claim, in one of the replies, that the names of "numerous poker players" Lusardi is presumably ratting out are being investigated by the Government. There's speculation in these latest posts that Christian Lusardi has been working with the Government (as a CI) in order to entrap and catch as many poker cheats as possible. If any of this is true, it implies that the FBI and Homeland Security have been working on a massive case to bust a bunch of crooked poker players. If some of these crooks/cheats turn out to be "famous" poker players, this could get real interesting ...

Of course, until such time as the Government gets around to making actual arrests, it's hard to know how much of this is mere speculation (or totally made up BS) and how much of it might actually be true. Whatever the case, this is getting more interesting by the minute ...

Please read before responding. My point is about the assumptions being made regarding the precise meaning of the word.

Some people in this thread seem to believe that "canceled" automatically has the same effect as a sporting event being canceled - that all wagers must be returned as no action. Although that could happen, it's not a given. Gaming is currently deciding what to do with the prize fund.

A problem exists where players played the flight with lusardi on day 1b busted one or two times then reentered maybe once or twice more in 1b or 1c and cashed. Shouldn't they still get their full 1b buyins back even though they late reentered again and cashed?

I don't insult any one . That is not my style . I was just using the word from your post.

And I said ignorant because you wrote:
"Quote:
Originally Posted by frommagio
To all of you who keep trying to ascribe one particular very narrow and legalistic meaning to the term "canceled" - .........The tournament was suspended, and they're figuring out what they should do. "

The fact is it was suspended on 17 January and was Canceled 2 days after.

Yes they should. Everyone should get at least their buy-in amount back. If you bought in 6 times, which totals $3360, and only cashed for $2000, you should get an additional $1360 back and keep the $2000 cash out amount. If you didn't cash at all, you should get your total buy-in amounts back.

This would ensure that everyone gets at least their buy-in back. The players that cashed for more than their buy-ins remain awarded for their efforts. Also, the final 27 get paid an even chop of the remaining prize pool for their deep run and all of the inconveniences this has caused.

The feeling of having a chance to win a life changing amount of money after outlasting close to 4800 people, then leaving without a dime has caused more pain than one can imagine.

[QUOTE=riverph7;42161544] You're struggling on the reading comprehension front. My point was not whether the word "canceled" was used. Again, please go back and read before responding. But I have a feeling that you won't, and that you'll be misfiring again very soon.