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07-28-2023 , 10:06 PM
Maybe you should talk about the program running in the background where by you were asked to explain and you couldn’t .

Coming out and saying you were using TeamViewer and it was a coaching session doesn’t cut the mustard.

Not being able to explain the xyzusux.exe file that has an open port connected to it with a static ip is alarming.

The gg team simply forward their router to that open port and packet sniff the open ports on the router. If they establish a connection to this port and a video appears they then lock your account and ask what exactly your doing. They know entirely they are just needing in writing for you to deviate from their information.

Ultimately your funds get locked and unfortunately anyone else connecting to this ip from their information gets banned too.

I know this information from a source within the GG cheat team and it’s the same process pokerstars use.

It’s highly effective against RTA and anything surrounding it.


It’s also more alarming that you cut out the replies where they ask you further questions. You show the reply asking general questions then paste an answer on their final decision that makes your situation look unexpected.



Or you just used TeamViewer , you don’t run a virtual machine and connect to multiple accounts with the ports open and connected to them via virtual box. If this is the case then I hope you get your funds back and learn a lesson with a warning.

If it’s the latter then your funds are gone and subsequently anyone and everyone that surrounds this are also going to be banned and funds seized.

Maybe Rory gunna think a bit more next time

Last edited by Koshko; 07-28-2023 at 10:14 PM.
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07-28-2023 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerRM
Interesting perspective, but that statement doesn't hold true for all cases. In the poker world, coaching can be a win-win situation. Talented players like Hofr (GodspeedYou!) have proven their skills both in gameplay and coaching. His impressive graph, where he won half a million, speaks volumes about his abilities. Coaching not only helps others improve their game, but it also fosters a stronger poker community overall. Cheers!



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GodspeedYou!(GGNetwork)
Hofr(PokerStars)
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07-28-2023 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Zamadhi
Yeah, technically speaking, sharing your screen/cards and chatting with other people in real-time constitutes cheating.

One player to a hand
That basic poker principle does seem to get lost sight of at times.

Last edited by Gzesh; 07-28-2023 at 10:28 PM.
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07-28-2023 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Well, bye
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0BTdo6qGwo

(some great poker scenes, too)
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07-29-2023 , 12:29 AM
GG poker is a joke site anyway, I don't trust 'em
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07-29-2023 , 04:32 AM
I don't play many MTTs or know the players involved in this, but I do have experience communicating with the OP TylerRM over the past few years regarding game integrity issues in groups where site representatives and site security members were also present and I know him to be of very high integrity. He has been an integral person in getting cheating players removed from sites when sites were incapable of identifying these cheaters on their own. If Tyler says that no cheating was taking place then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt over 99.9% of the rest of people who make these types of threads.

It is well-known in the high stakes cash game community that players not known for bumhunting have received warnings and threats of a ban at GG due to a poorly written detection algorithm. It is therefore very possible in my opinion that this case also might not have been thoroughly examined prior to GG taking such drastic action.

GG makes a lot of money by charging an absurd amount a rake. There is no reason they shouldn't be able to implement automatic detection of prohibited programs which gives an immediate warning and/or automatically closes their client when prohibited programs are detected to be running.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 07-29-2023 at 04:40 AM.
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07-29-2023 , 04:39 AM
"Despite my strong believe in my innocence."


Ummmm, I'm hoping this is just bad wording. Otherwise, this is what people say when they are doing something in grey areas.

Generally speaking, it's fairly black and white "I did not do anything that in any way violates their terms of service."
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07-29-2023 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Koshko
Maybe you should talk about the program running in the background where by you were asked to explain and you couldn’t .

Coming out and saying you were using TeamViewer and it was a coaching session doesn’t cut the mustard.

Not being able to explain the xyzusux.exe file that has an open port connected to it with a static ip is alarming.

The gg team simply forward their router to that open port and packet sniff the open ports on the router. If they establish a connection to this port and a video appears they then lock your account and ask what exactly your doing. They know entirely they are just needing in writing for you to deviate from their information.
I would really like the investigation to take place according to this scenario.
But the questions asked do not match the accusation. They ask "what game do you like to play" (I quoted in full in the first post), and then it turns out that the charge for running the teamviewer/remote desktop even Discord or Zoom falls under the definition of screen-sharing programs, because it allows to livestream in channels.

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15. USE OF REMOTE DESKTOP & SCREEN SHARING PROGRAMS
15.1. GGPoker strictly prohibits the use of any program that enables a user to remotely access others’ devices or others to remotely access the user’s device in conjunction with the GGPoker client.

15.2. GGPoker strictly prohibits the use of any program that enables a user to share one’s own screen with others or others to share their screen with the user in conjunction with the GGPoker client to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents.

15.3. The prohibited programs include, but are not limited to, the following:

TeamViewer
Microsoft Remote Desktop
AnyDesk
LogMeIn
15.4. GGPoker strictly prohibits the use of such programs as they may facilitate additional breaches of our Security & Ecology Policy (SEP), including ghosting, use of RTA, botting and multi accounting.

15.5. Actions taken for minor breaches: WARNING, SUSPENSION

15.6. Actions taken for repeat/major breaches: PERMANENT BAN, CONFISCATION
In order to exclude the human factor, usually a warning appears in all poker-rooms that you have launched, for example "Simple Postflop" or "Piosolver" and room will not run while this opens. Same should apply be for "Remote Desktop" and "Teamviewer", because otherwise honest players who do not use any helpers or RTA during the game will be massively banned just the way it is now. We have 2 case here + 1 dont want to go public. I heard "Moglipoker" was banned for Remote Desktop running previously, i text him but he not answer yet, thats will be 4th case.

Funds is not confistaced, we are not fighting for a refund, but for a safe environment for coaches and players who have a lot of software to develop strategies and may accidentally not close something, but gets punished as if using software during the game.

Last edited by TylerRM; 07-29-2023 at 05:14 AM.
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07-29-2023 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Solving Live Poker
"Despite my strong believe in my innocence."


Ummmm, I'm hoping this is just bad wording.
I told him - better to sound like a cult-leader with ChatGPT, than this with Google Translate.
We are not native, sorry.
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07-29-2023 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TylerRM
usually a warning appears in all poker-rooms that you have launched, for example "Simple Postflop" or "Piosolver" and room will not run while this opens.
not true for most sites that aren’t stars
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07-29-2023 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TPeck
GG has been banning legit winning solo players(ie Apestyles) for many years now
How does Apestyles got banned? I read his book many years ago, it was good.
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07-29-2023 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TPeck
Where have you been? Lucky you made it this long.
GG has been banning legit winning solo players(ie Apestyles) for many years now and it's known that they don't owe you any evidence as to why.
Yet a pair of Russians who no delay live stream in discords with 1k+ people but are just far too ethical to ever have colluded or have someone on their team run ICM software in real time on a FT are astonished they got removed from the site.

Find heaps of poor people in poor countries, dole out solved ranges and a staking arrangement, card share/chip dump/softplay and always have someone on real time ICM HRC duty and boom you have the modern world of online coaching stables printing money. However these 2 characters are too ethical to participate in any of that nonsense and actually do much better than those that would ever gain such edges.
Spoiler:
RUSSIANS


Spoiler:
ETHICAL


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07-29-2023 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
Thanks! But how he's got unblock? Shark says he is alive.



We found there is Poker Integrity Council exist: https://www.ggpoker.com/poker-integrity-council/ but there is no contact how to reach them.
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07-29-2023 , 07:34 AM
Wait I think I just realised who this is.


Did your whole team get banned aswell or just you?

Didn’t you guys get banned off acr a while ago or a bunch of the team you guys had were also banned?

You have a stable right?
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07-29-2023 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TylerRM
Thanks! But how he's got unblock? Shark says he is alive.
I don't know the details about how he was allowed back, but afaik GG have allowed several players back who were banned for minor offenses over the last year after that security council was formed. They even put out a form you could fill out for reconsideration.
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07-29-2023 , 07:37 AM
Tyler, how many russians can fit in a room in Montenegro?

Apparently....

Spoiler:
all of them
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07-29-2023 , 07:40 AM
Hello i am a former player of funfurm and rsb poker schools and i can confirm that teamplay notesharing and handsharing is present on a regular basis in these teams.

Final tables are played out by more qualified players by means of screen sharing in discord.

THE SITUATION WITH POKER SCHOOLS (FOUNDATIONS) GOES OUT OF CONTROL

they abuse the security system of the winamax poker room by registering their players for drops from other countries and continue to play there from russia using vpn, although playing from this jurisdiction is prohibited there, itÂ’s not even dozens or more than a thousand players from these and other Russian funds

my team is now collecting nicknames and data of these accounts for reporting to the security service of the room using various means

I said it's time to start doing something with this when my friend sent me a video of analysis of the database of one of the fund's students, which shows that I have a database of 11000 hands, I checked my h2n, I played 173 hands with him...

I HOPE SOON I WILL HAVE SEVERAL UNBLOCKING VIDEOS HAVE PEOPLE WILL PROVIDE THEM I WILL SHARE THEM HERE

t's time for poker rooms to start doing something about it they are killing the industry amateurs lose their deposits very quickly school regulars get dishonest advantage over regulars outside of schools should be banned under pain of banning players from playing from schools in poker rooms otherwise we will all face the end of the poker era

*

oh yeah sorry for my english i used google translator

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-29-2023 at 12:25 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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07-29-2023 , 07:52 AM
Russian team vs Russian team. I’m in.

у кого больше дудлов?
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07-29-2023 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by belthazorrrrr
Tyler, how many russians can fit in a room in Montenegro?
While the exact number of Russians in a room in Montenegro may be hard to determine, it's true that some players have faced restrictions due to various regulations and policies in different countries. It's unfortunate to see players from certain regions facing such challenges. As a global poker community, it's essential to advocate for fair and inclusive access to poker platforms for players from all around the world. Everyone should have the opportunity to participate in the game they love regardless of their location. Let's hope for a more open and inclusive future for online poker.
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07-29-2023 , 10:18 AM
In the long run, good, ethical poker players should generally be happy with specific and general measures taken to make sure the player pool is as fishy as possible. If you're the victim of one of those measures, then that should be considered a cost of doing business. If you're good enough to ravage the GG playing pool you'll be good enough to make a plenty good living elsewhere too.
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07-29-2023 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TylerRM
...it's essential to advocate for fair and inclusive access to poker platforms...
Yes, then we must allow everyone with a technological advantage (i.e., running hole card sharing teams, colluders and the rest), free and uninhibited access to fleece the rest of the player pool without restriction. I mean, if the great, unwashed masses of the world want to play the game they love on the internet, then the Russians in Montenegro deserve the opportunity to separate them from their money in the most efficient way possible. That's what a free market is all about.

The concept of internet poker being "fair" today is a joke. It's a war of technology, just like the stock market. If you think the day trader in todays stock market has a chance against the algos, you're sadly mistaken. You'll lose your money faster day trading stocks than if you play NLH on GG. Accept the fact that, like the stock market, the more you play internet poker, the more likely you are to lose your money. People like TylerRM advocating that internet poker should be "fair" is disingenuous and self-serving. If it was truly "fair", he would be looking for another job.

TL;DR If you are stupid enough to play on the internet these days (without a technological advantage), you deserve to lose your money

Last edited by IhateJJ; 07-29-2023 at 10:55 AM.
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07-29-2023 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by IhateJJ
Yes, then we must allow everyone with a technological advantage (i.e., running hole card sharing teams, colluders and the rest), free and uninhibited access to fleece the rest of the player pool without restriction. I mean, if the great, unwashed masses of the world want to play the game they love on the internet, then the Russians in Montenegro deserve the opportunity to separate them from their money in the most efficient way possible. That's what a free market is all about.

The concept of internet poker being "fair" today is a joke. It's a war of technology, just like the stock market. If you think the day trader in todays stock market has a chance against the algos, you're sadly mistaken. You'll lose your money faster day trading stocks than if you play NLH on GG. Accept the fact that, like the stock market, the more you play internet poker, the more likely you are to lose your money. People like TylerRM advocating that internet poker should be "fair" is disingenuous and self-serving. If it was truly "fair", he would be looking for another job.

TL;DR If you are stupid enough to play on the internet these days (without a technological advantage), you deserve to lose your money
I'm not sure that you're arguing against this point, but that something is very unfair is not an argument to try to take steps to make it more fair.
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07-30-2023 , 04:28 PM
A day for celebrations. Literally no one - 0 people - like coaches. Your kind are ruining poker and every measure the sites take to ban coaches is welcome.
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07-30-2023 , 05:57 PM
Putting aside whether or not they actually cheated, and whether poker coaches are good for the game for a second.

GG has repeatedly shown itself to be a scummy poker site that uses suspect accusations to ban winning players, has extortionate rake at all stakes (and tried to make it even higher at HS) and generally just does not care about the poker ecosystem.

Any winning players playing there should be using extreme caution WRT the amount of their roll left on the site.
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