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The Big Question For Full Tilt's U.S. Players: Will They Get Their Poker Winnings Back? The Big Question For Full Tilt's U.S. Players: Will They Get Their Poker Winnings Back?

02-20-2013 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Asgrow13
Thanks for making these calls and posting the updates. Helps keep me sane.
+1
02-20-2013 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brilliant27
I saw Chris ferguson walking around the Wynn on Saturday. Maybe that is a good sign for an upcoming announcement. Dude has major balls to show his face in Vegas
Probably was on his way to his casino box to get cash to pay his settlement off

I've been in LV all week, havent seen him or talked to anyone that has. If you spot him again, please PM me. I would be happy to umm, ask him a few questions.
02-20-2013 , 01:23 PM
in after Diamond_Flush

in before complaints about Diamond_Flush posting and raising hopes without offering information.

Last edited by Aruj Reis; 02-20-2013 at 01:24 PM. Reason: I know somebody else had to see the most recent poster and think something happened
02-20-2013 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bizzle03
Diamond Flush or 1938Ford,

Would this explain why the DOJ has taken longer than the two weeks they thought it would? Little hold ups with this settlement? Consequently, once this is finalized, we could expect a near immediate announcement on remissions?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by 1938ford
It is MY opinion that the Ferguson settlement and/or the Cardroom claim have zero to do with the selection of a claims administrator. The Cardroom claim case MAY ultimately delay the actual distribution of remissions should it not be stricken, but, for reasons I have explained before ITT I find even that unlikely.

More likely, for me, it is just that the selection process takes time. In this case it is a very big and very valuable contract and there are many bottlenecks in the contract awards process that could be the cause for this "delay". Also, I choose to hold out some hope that the "delay" could also be because the Claims Administrator has already been selected and is already working on preparing the case so that the next announcement contains more information than just the fact the "abc claims company" has been awarded the contract, which would provide us little relief or useful information.
I'm going to agree with Ford here and say that the two things are not connected at all. It is my opinion that the cardroom case is just a nuisance at this point. They have been trying to sue FTP and owners etc for years, in multiple jurisdictions. How their claims after all this time are not labeled frivolous is beyond comprehension.

There is a LOT of money in the pot here. Neither the Kentucky claim or the Cardroom claim should make any difference to the remission process.

I choose to believe, based on what I know, that the administrator was chosen and is already attempting to put ducks in a row. Clearly, the community would not be happy to just know that ABC Adminstrator was selected, without all the conditions for how the payment process will work being set. My information is that the news becoming public is imminent, but I was told that more than a week ago. Apparently imminent means different things to different people.

As to the Ferguson settlement - his claim against the assets wsa never really a serious one imo. The claim was filed in a timely manner, within the time frame allotted for anyone to file one. If he had proceded to trial and been successful (lol) he would have needed that claim in place. The same was true for Bitar, Lederer and Furst. Doesn't change the remission.
02-20-2013 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Aruj Reis
in after Diamond_Flush

in before complaints about Diamond_Flush posting and raising hopes without offering information.
haha, literally LOL'd at this.

Ok back to being a non-poster
02-20-2013 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
I'm going to agree with Ford here and say that the two things are not connected at all. It is my opinion that the cardroom case is just a nuisance at this point. They have been trying to sue FTP and owners etc for years, in multiple jurisdictions. How their claims after all this time are not labeled frivolous is beyond comprehension.

There is a LOT of money in the pot here. Neither the Kentucky claim or the Cardroom claim should make any difference to the remission process.

I choose to believe, based on what I know, that the administrator was chosen and is already attempting to put ducks in a row. Clearly, the community would not be happy to just know that ABC Adminstrator was selected, without all the conditions for how the payment process will work being set. My information is that the news becoming public is imminent, but I was told that more than a week ago. Apparently imminent means different things to different people.

As to the Ferguson settlement - his claim against the assets wsa never really a serious one imo. The claim was filed in a timely manner, within the time frame allotted for anyone to file one. If he had proceded to trial and been successful (lol) he would have needed that claim in place. The same was true for Bitar, Lederer and Furst. Doesn't change the remission.
I fricking love you, lady. Not to put any pressure on you, but, if you ever let the poker community down in the way so many others have, I will be heartbroken.
02-20-2013 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
I'm going to agree with Ford here and say that the two things are not connected at all. It is my opinion that the cardroom case is just a nuisance at this point. They have been trying to sue FTP and owners etc for years, in multiple jurisdictions. How their claims after all this time are not labeled frivolous is beyond comprehension.

There is a LOT of money in the pot here. Neither the Kentucky claim or the Cardroom claim should make any difference to the remission process.

I choose to believe, based on what I know, that the administrator was chosen and is already attempting to put ducks in a row. Clearly, the community would not be happy to just know that ABC Adminstrator was selected, without all the conditions for how the payment process will work being set. My information is that the news becoming public is imminent, but I was told that more than a week ago. Apparently imminent means different things to different people.

As to the Ferguson settlement - his claim against the assets wsa never really a serious one imo. The claim was filed in a timely manner, within the time frame allotted for anyone to file one. If he had proceded to trial and been successful (lol) he would have needed that claim in place. The same was true for Bitar, Lederer and Furst. Doesn't change the remission.
DF, this is dead serious.


How and when did you become such a badass?
02-20-2013 , 02:44 PM
In before DOJ says they picked a claims admin and they have to streamline the process.
02-20-2013 , 03:08 PM
Been following this thread almost daily (I love misery I guess) since I have 6 figs on FTP. Called the press office myself for the first time today just to hear it for myself.

Same line - announcement imminent. No other information provided.
02-20-2013 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Clearly, the community would not be happy to just know that ABC Adminstrator was selected, without all the conditions for how the payment process will work being set.
I don't know about the "community", but personally I would be pretty damn happy to know that the DOJ had accomplished SOMETHING concrete towards remission, even if no further details were forthcoming.
02-20-2013 , 03:44 PM
So any expectation of when this will be done? Before 2014? Before the WSOP?
02-20-2013 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dfsuperstar
So any expectation of when this will be done?
When WHAT will be done? If you mean the "average" player having a check in hand...

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Before 2014?
50% chance imo

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Before the WSOP?
10% chance imo
02-20-2013 , 03:49 PM
yes Money in hand
02-20-2013 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dfsuperstar
yes Money in hand
No one knows. Anyone giving you a number at this point is just plucking something out of thin air because there aren't enough details to make that sort of prediciton.
02-20-2013 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by XaQ Morphy
No one knows. Anyone giving you a number at this point is just plucking something out of thin air because there aren't enough details to make that sort of prediciton.
Eh, there's SOME information (e.g. similar remissions cases) and SOME insights from people who seem like they know what they are talking about (e.g. 1938ford).

Putting those together, an intelligent person can make SOME sort of estimate.
02-20-2013 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BustoPro
Eh, there's SOME information (e.g. similar remissions cases) and SOME insights from people who seem like they know what they are talking about (e.g. 1938ford).

Putting those together, an intelligent person can make SOME sort of estimate.
You mean like "imminent" or "two weeks"?
02-20-2013 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Clearly, the community would not be happy to just know that ABC Adminstrator was selected, without all the conditions for how the payment process will work being set.
The community would be happy to receive any and all information that could possibly be given. If they have chosen an administrator and haven't worked out the details on the process, we would be more than happy to know that.

ANYTHING is better than NOTHING at this point but those with the information don't seem to care about the people most affected by this at all. (I'm not talking about you DF)
02-20-2013 , 05:44 PM
Probably selected an administrator. Competitors contested the award. Takes 100 days for IG to rule.
02-20-2013 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dfsuperstar
yes Money in hand
About 350 days
02-20-2013 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
That says the Ferguson money will be set aside. The Cardroom case isn't necessarily holding up the remission process.
02-20-2013 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
About 350 days
So...

One year minus "two weeks"?
02-20-2013 , 09:06 PM
If they have selected an adminstrator, at least a majority of the work left to be done will be out of the hands of the embarrassingly inefficient government and into the hands of an independant contractor...
02-20-2013 , 09:47 PM
This has gotten to be just LOL at this point.
02-20-2013 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
That says the Ferguson money will be set aside. The Cardroom case isn't necessarily holding up the remission process.
Whether it is or isn't only Preet Bharara knows, but he took the time to write a three sentence letter to the judge that only says one thing that the judge couldn't ascertain for herself from reading the settlement; that the funds forfeited won't be available for final distribution (remission in this case) until the Cardroom's claim is resolved.

Short of a plain language statement declaring that he can't pay victim remission until the judge strikes Cardroom's claim - which would be highly unethical - the intention behind that letter couldn't be more obvious.
02-20-2013 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Probably was on his way to his casino box to get cash to pay his settlement off

I've been in LV all week, havent seen him or talked to anyone that has. If you spot him again, please PM me. I would be happy to umm, ask him a few questions.
He was walking around the Wynn that one night. On the same night, my friend said he saw Jesus stumbling around treasure island, drunk as can be. So he is in the vicinity.

      
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