yea the old cover my big chip with the hand trick

Agreed. However, knowing whether Mr X started the hand with 25000 or 30000 probably doesn't give us all that much more information, and that scenario is much more akin to the one that actually took place in this instance.

What gives us the information here is (assuming we are DW), we put in the 2nd raise preflop, which was promptly 4 bet behind us by someone OOP who has committed at a casual glance at least half of their stack to the pot. This has been called all in by the original raiser. We have Jacks. The precise stack size of the 4 bettor is so much less important in this instance than the fact that we are clearly beat.

Yes I agree with that but we are not talking about the difference of 25k/100k/300k. It was 50k and 60k where Barry already had 35k in.

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i swear david williams has to be the biggest dickhead in poker....if he didnt luck box his way to 2nd of the wsop me, where would he be?...still cheating at his geek magic card game??

It matters. David moving all-in was just a formality. BG had clearly committed himself with the 35,000 bet. It was just a question of whether he wanted to play for all that Barry had.

I think it was mostly frustration from DW here. He probably knew he should have given Barry some more respect when he threebets for over 50% of his stack preflop. Got caught with his pants down, found a small detail to complain about.

If he was unclear about stack sizes he should ask before pushing. I guess DW might have gone for some stop´n´go if he knew Barry had 25k left. But with this flop the end result would have been the same.

OT: looking at the hendon mob DB. how can DW cash in tourneys at age 15?

While I might run the risk of coming off as a terminal hairsplitter here Freudian, I'll just point out the other player in the hand aswell. Barry actually 4 bets here, and the other player moves all in for what's left of his stack. All this does is reinforce your point, but it does perhaps suggest that the potential for some postflop stop-n-go wasn't there in this particular hand.

Wow, nice catch - I never would have noticed this. 6 cashes before the age of 21. How does this happen?

lol he was playing tournaments when he was 14?

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why would DW make such a big deal out of this...did he really think the floor would rule in his favor?...and against a guy like barry, he comes off as a douche big time...he's one of those guys that it's kinda hard to root for...

Got this off poker-king.com

There was an interesting exchange tonight between two very well-known players on the first day of the Bellagio Cup IV Main Event.

Near the end of the day, a big pot developed between Barry Greenstein, David Williams and an unknown player. According to the Live Updates page on Worldpokertour.com, the unknown player raised to 1,475. Action folded around to David Williams, who raised to 11,500. Greenstein, in the small blind, raises to 35,000. The unknown player calls for the rest of his chips, David Williams moves all-in, and Greenstein snap-calls.

The players turn up their hands. Greenstein has aces, Williams has jacks, and the unknown player has A-K offsuit. The board comes 10-7-2-6-3, improving none of the three players. Greenstein takes down the monster pot.

Justin Bonomo, seated next to David Williams, points out that Greenstein has a 10,000 blue chip mixed in with his green chips, which are worth substantially less.

Wiliams flips out, berating Greenstein for having this chip "hidden" from view. Greenstein proclaimed his innocence, saying that he wasn't intentionally hiding the chip and that it only became mixed in with the others when he was counting out his 35,000 raise.

The back-and-forth continues for a while, with Williams becoming increasingly agitated. Williams states that he would have played the hand differently had he known that Greenstein had an extra 10k in chips.

The floor is called over to clarify the situation. Williams is asked if he requested a count of Greenstein's chips. He says no, and Greenstein is awarded the monster pot that propels him to the top of the leaderboard. Williams is still visibly pissed. Williams tilts off the rest of his chips over the next few hands and soon exits the tournament.

The World Poker Tour posted a video on their site of this incident - I have included the link below.

After the first day of play ended, Barry wrote on 2+2 that he offered Williams $10,000 if the video showed him intentionally trying to hide his chips.

Greenstein is one of the last players that you would expect to be accused of angle-shooting. You can watch the entire incident below - you may have to scroll down the page to find it. Look for the posting titled "Floor to Table 61".


here is the video:
(you have to scroll down to about halfway down the page)

http://liveupdates.worldpokertour.co...datesnews&tID=

david williams comes off as a mega douche

seriously

oops didnt see this thread

david kind of has a point, but im sure barry didnt actually mean to hide the chip

This post isn't even necessary. When it comes to something like this, you're above reproach, barryg1. For Williams to call that much and then cry like a bitch when he finds out it's ten thousand more is angle-shooting at best.

I'm pretty sure DW and BG respect each other and Williams was just tilting so he took his frustration out on BG.

Williams dosnt seem like an angle shooter despite the fact that ppl feel he behaves like a douche. I could be wrong, but Williams isnt a guy you hear stories like this about. Looks like he just effed up here.

williams is definitely at fault here

whats really pathetic is he says he wouldn't have called if he knew barry had 10k more or whatever... such bs... david williams folding JJ preflop in a donkament? haha

Nice. My guess is it's a diffferent guy also named David Williams and thehendonmob hasn't noticed to straighten it out.

seems like simple misunderstanding....
i have met williams before and he always came off as a nice guy...

so im sure it was pure accidental....

Well he did cheat in his prepoker days at Magic so that makes him seem, at the least, sketchy.