http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press...nk_008_xml.pdf

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press.../gambling2.pdf

The second bill looks to delay the UIGEA until Dec. 1, 2010.

yeah keep drinking the kool-aid. From the bill

Don't think that is any different than what is going on now. Several states have already banned online poker. And honestly I see that trend as continuing unless somethign liek this bill is introduced (look at the newest trend of banning craigslist :P).

If this bill passes it could bring in drones of new fish.

so tell me, what states can't I access Stars and FTP from right now?

Who knows that will happen with the regs, but enforceable state opt outs will pretty much guarantee that a large number of players will be banned from playing.

Who's setting the line for the Law of Unintended Consequences to kick in and this turn out to be another setback for poker, rather than the boon it should produce?

While you are correct stars and ftp havn;t banned any states (to my knowledge) several pokersites have. And the trend seems to be increasing. All major online casinos have shyed away from marketting to US players and are now looking overseas for a more stable market share. We've seen several large netwroks drop US players no reason to think stars wouldnt do it in the future if the risk becomes too big.

I honestly beleive without regulation eventually the US will get left in the dust. The only reason they havn;t at the moment is that stars doesn;t have a big enough market outside of the US.

so rather then support reasonable regulation you support any regulation? I guess you better hope you are lucky and in a 'good' state if this passes and the opt out is enforceable.

Leap lets not see monsters under the bed just yet. This is a very strong step in the right direction.

The state opt out is very common I believe someone else smarter can correct me if I am wrong. there might be some consititutional state rights reason for it. However, Like the speed limit opt out or the .08 BA level the federal goverment has its ways to get states not to opt out.

no its not. Plus, and I don't know if this is correct, but some guy in one of the legislation threads answered a question of mine. The question was whether or not this bill would explicitly make offering unregulated online poker illegal. He quoted a section of the bill (I haven't read it yet and IANAL) and indicated that yes it did. Assuming that is correct, you think that is a step in the right direction?

Forget poker challenges in court re skill games, applicability of the wire act, etc. Everyone seems to be forgetting we haven't even exhausted all our legal options yet re the legality of poker. Again, if correct, this bill would certainly take care of all that.

boo I hope the bill isn't passed, you americans don't want to pay tax do you? And I don't want to see you nitty yanks at my euro tables.

if this has any outcome whatsoever beneficial to poker players it will be entirely accidental

go get em Barney gl gl gl

Cardplayer says "Rep.Barney Frank to introduce PRO-poker bill". if it's against poker, why would he give an interview to cardplayer.com. it's like giving a casual interview to a porn site after introducing a bill to ban all porn sites. doesn't make any sense. leapfrog is seeing ghosts when there are none.

awesome awesome bill. Thanks Barney. Thanks PPA.

Brought to my attention by Repulse in legislation:

In interest of disclosure I am not from US.

But given that online gambling is regulated statewide is it possible for a federal bill that would not allow state exceptions? My guess would be no? Maybe I am wrong though.

Every bill that has been introduced or even discussed has provided for individual states to opt out (and often for individual pro sports to as well). With some states opposed it would be very difficult to get it through without giving a nod to each state's individual rights.

Ok. That was my point. Don't think its realistic to expect a bill that doesn;t have a state opt out clause.

As for payign taxes I agree that sucks but until you change your tax laws don't see anyway around it.

it has 0 to do with taxes and everything to do with 1/2 of America not being able to play if state opt outs were allowed and were enforceable. wtf

My tax comment was related to your other post.

then quote it because I have no idea what you are talking about. I pay my taxes and have no problem with reasonably taxed regulated poker that more then 1/2 of America can play.

I agree withholding taxes can be a problem. No argument there.

I certainly don;t want state opt outs but sounds like its impossible for any bill to pass without them. My belief is though that those states are going to cut off players eventually whether or not poker is legalized. As I've said poker rooms are looking to get out of US market and expand. Legislation isn't perfect but I fear without it in 2-3 years the USA as a whole will be in huge trouble.

I honestly believe though that a bill liek this one increases the chances of a state beign for online gambling and more receptive to it.

wat. americans pay taxes now and you're not thinking through how the games could change if american fish can deposit w/ say, a credit card.

CNN has its blog on internet gambling up!! I urge all 2p2ers to go and comment there in a proper and thoughtful manner. Every now and then , they update what comments people have put and publish some of them on air. They already have done so once, unfortunately, haters were the first ones to comment. So much backup is required!!!

http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/


Also post on their twitter under the heading for internet gambling. Go Go Go!!!

how are the states going to cut off players? KY = fail. Talk to me in 6 months in MN makes any headway.

Uh sites are looking to get out of the US and expand... huh? They can't serve the US and expand at the same time? Why wouldn't FTP and PS (for example) stay as long as it is clearly profitable, which it obviously currently is?

I guess we differ on our view of online poker's viability assuming no regulation happens, I am fine with that.

Its no surprise that stars is mainly looking to increase its market outside of the US. Whether they eventually leave or not remains to be seen. But it certainyl isn't promissing. Once they have a large enough outside customer base there is little reason to risk continuing to serve americans, especially if US decides to go after them. Now whether they can achieve that and how fast is another question.

The other aspect to this is how many new fish would start depositing and feel safe knowing that their money is with a real regulated online casino.

I'm afraid lunch break over so can;t chat anymore!