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Barbara Enright refuses a chop to pay the bubble Barbara Enright refuses a chop to pay the bubble

05-21-2012 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by monker71
This probelm is rampant at the west palm beach kennel club/poker room. I spent 4 months down there grinding and literally had people wanting to fight me because i wouldnt agree to pay the bubble. The downside is that alot of them will spite call you for refusing so its def harder to make moves. But i applaud Barbara.

I don't think that you think downside means what I think downside means.
05-21-2012 , 07:18 PM
the first player out of any tournament should get paid too because hey, that sucks when you're the first guy knocked out.
05-21-2012 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by manzoni

I confess I did admire her courage, which was real and genuine, as opposed to the posturing here.
Maybe you should google Mement Mori? This has become a real problem when adults act as children who want to pick up their toys and go home if they don't pay out the bubble. Really, there should be zero tolerance among the professional community for it. How to best communicate the erroneous nature of these saves is up for debate, but the question has been resolved.
05-21-2012 , 07:21 PM
Also, do you all realize that you lose equity if you are a mid or high stack playing against a short stack who is trying to fold his way into the money if you allow a bubble deal to be made? I wouldn't have made this deal either.
05-21-2012 , 07:26 PM
Kudos to Barbara and I have had the pleasure of knowing her for over 10 years. Met her & her b/f Max Shapiro who works (used to work for CP?_) & they are both really good ppl.
On 1 point I wish the floors would quit going around asking if anyone objects to paying the bubble b/c noone should be forced into having to refuse and be ridiculed but I also like it because you find out who really wants to lock up $ and u can attack them. The key point in all of this is when OP states 'she was a middle stack' which tells you whether she had a low stack or a huge stack that her answer would be the same. I have been on the short stack and refused a deal as well as top stack and refused. It's poker, play it out
05-21-2012 , 07:48 PM
I think everyone who enters a tournament should just get their buyin back (less rake obv) and then everyone plays just to see who is the best.
05-21-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by foxfox1
good for barbara
I actually had almost the exact same thing happen to me in my first live tournament as an 18 year old. This was just bullying on the part of the majority and kudos to Barbara for standing up for herself, I know from experience it is extremely unpleasant having to do so, moreso if you are the only one.

Some guy actually got in my face outside the tourney floor and threatened to beat my ass if I didn't take the chop.
05-21-2012 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
at a minimum karma will bite her in the arse
Actually at a minimum, nothing will happen.
05-21-2012 , 08:07 PM
I can't stand when everyone pressures one person to chop or pay the bubble. This happens all the time at Tampa hard rock. There should be some kind of rule that the tourney director steps in and enforces each players' right to play the tourney out as stipulated in the prize pool. Too often I see peer pressure play heavily into a chop or bubble situation where one person disagrees and then gets worked into it by the rest of the players after minutes of bordeline harassment. Good for her standing up for what she wanted to do. I would have paid the bubble since its so little from the prize pool, and I wouldn't want to be on everyone's radar as the *******, and that's what makes it even cooler that she told everyone else to go F themselves. Seriously, attempting an unanimous decision with 28 people remaining is F'd up anyway.
05-21-2012 , 08:11 PM
i will never understand live tournament donks. its a mega high variance format (esp in small buyins), and yet they always want to chop, pay bubble, etc, and get super hostile when people don't go along with it. make up your mind.
05-21-2012 , 08:13 PM
I agree with her on principle but you have to weigh that with getting the possible ire of everyone else in the tournament.

It's like pulling a Mr. Pink and not tipping out of principle, but then you have to deal with the fact that it's an established social convention and lots of people will hate you for it.
05-21-2012 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tiledonk
I'm assuming that the people berating Barbara for her decision are of the age where everyone got a trophy in little league.
lol...this is exactly what I was thinking.
05-21-2012 , 08:18 PM
If you pay the bubble $, doesnt that just make the bubble+1 the new bubble?
05-21-2012 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hoodskier
Yes you are.


I'm so sick of others thinking that bullying someone that refuses to pay the bubble (I call them the bubble Mafia in a blog I wrote on this subject) is justified. By entering the tournament, you're agreeing to the terms the house decides in terms of the % or # paid. If those terms are changed, it is a voluntary decision that everyone must choose to agree on to move forward with it.
05-21-2012 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TBadr
Who?
via wikipedia
"Barbara Enright is an American professional poker player, motivational speaker, and Editor-in-Chief of Woman Poker Player magazine. She has won three bracelets at the World Series of Poker and has made it to the $10,000 No-Limit Hold'em Main Event final table.

Enright was the first woman to win an open event at the WSOP, the first woman to win three WSOP bracelets, and is the only female player (as of 2011) to have made it to the final table of the main event"
05-21-2012 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
I agree with her on principle but you have to weigh that with getting the possible ire of everyone else in the tournament.

It's like pulling a Mr. Pink and not tipping out of principle, but then you have to deal with the fact that it's an established social convention and lots of people will hate you for it.
Well put.
05-21-2012 , 08:33 PM
Sorry to hear that! I will always pay the bubble one day I could be on the bubble and it also takes less time during hand for hand.
05-21-2012 , 08:34 PM
agree with the overwhelming majority of people saying barbara did the right thing, and that OP comes off really bad

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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
i will never understand live tournament donks. its a mega high variance format (esp in small buyins), and yet they always want to chop, pay bubble, etc, and get super hostile when people don't go along with it. make up your mind.
+1, and complain about long hours/slow dealing speed
05-21-2012 , 08:38 PM
I have never had a problem with chopping or chipping in for the bubble on rare occasion that I have made it that far, on the other hand if one person objects I have no problem with that. I have seen players get very angry with another player who would mot chop and that is pretty sad. Really it was pathetic to say the least.
05-21-2012 , 08:39 PM
Hate to give away secrets, but given how scared some of these dolts are to not min-cash, the bubble is obv the most abusable part of the tourney especiallyif u have chips. Lower stacks working together to change both the flow of the game and the payout of the tournament is COLLUSION. shortstacks discussing insuring each other by guaranteeing each other money for not acually making the money should be penalized by any competent td
05-21-2012 , 08:44 PM
and why did you not just give the poor guy $165 yourself?
05-21-2012 , 08:51 PM
All I know is that if she agreed and I had busted 29th, I'll be asking her for my $140.
05-21-2012 , 08:56 PM
"ambassador of the game", lol...like anyone who's the least bit well known has an obligation to act against their own interests

terrible op
05-21-2012 , 08:59 PM
no idea who she is but glad to hear she stood her ground. It's ridicules how live players try to bully people into paying the bubble or chopping 9 ways. even more ridicules that floor lets this happen, she said no, move on.
05-21-2012 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
Why would it matter how long the tournament had been going on for, what the buy-in was or if it were recreational players or not?
Everyone knows the rule going in and the entire points of tournaments is that someone wins a lot of buy-ins and most people lose their buy-in. Reading about all these people who try and bully people into letting them change the payout structure is one of the most pathetic things ever. If the mincash means that much to them either play for smaller stakes or find another hobby.

No idea who Barbara is or how she act at the table but kudos to her for not backing down, its absolutely ridiculous as it is that the floor/td doesn't do a better job preventing this and make sure the tournaments are run smoothly with the announced payout structures, the fact that this has become somewhat common is just absolutely disgusting.
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