cocaine's a hell of a drug LOL

Edit/MH: See http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=515

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Wow I am so out of touch, just saw this sad news for the first time.. That headline is a shocker. David Saab, in prison for 10-14 years??? I never played poker with him, but I introduced him to the game back in about 1999, when we got to know each other at the Perth backgammon club. He is a brilliant backgammon player, but annoying in his constant coffee-housing. The guy just didn't have an off button. He regarded every game as an opportunity to hustle, and every newbie as a potential mark - which was totally against the aims of the club, but he had that "professional" gambler's attitude of making every post a winner and every opponent a sucker. But he did it kind of nicely, and even returned 1/3 of the $1000 or so he took off one newbie in a late-night game.

It was obvious he was keen to sink his teeth into bigger fish than could be found in a social backgammon club. So I told him about some of the private poker games going on round town and he was very interested, but knew nothing about the game, so I lent him a couple of books, SS and one of Sklansky's I think, and introduced him to someone organizing a home game. I haven't seen him since about 2000, but I saw his name on the cash list in a tourney or two and presumed he was well on his way to making his first few million. Now this: such a talented guy. What a waste. And also, if Saabie couldn't make a quid out of poker, how can the rest of us hope to?

lolz try 10-14

Lolz at meth having almost no harm to others. That's the entire reason it is made illegal.

Graph is rubbish. Cannabis has almost no harm to others either, unless they are inhaling smoke, but you definitely don't need to smoke it.

I think stats are based on overall use. Alcohol isn't that bad, but it is universally abused. LSD can really f-you up longterm, but not so many people are into.

Yea you can tell they probably used actual statistics counting the number of people using drugs that put themselves/others in danger given that mushrooms is at the bottom (lol) and pot is fairly high (lol).

I wonder how someone came up with these numbers, like if it was a survey where people answered questions like I smoke pot and then proceed to drive on a regular basis therefore contributing to endangering others and self, or if it is more like someone committed vehicular manslaughter and were subsequently drug tested and weed comes up and they count that was endangering others and self. The latter would make sense considering how the graph doesn't weigh heavily on meth making you endanger others, and meth won't show up in a drug screen for a long period of time like weed.

Not easy, but the importing and dealing part are not rocket science by any stretch.

See, there is this country called Mexico, it borders the USA to the south. In that country, there are some pretty smart drug dealers who sometimes let politicians pretend they control Mexico.

Getting it into America is child's play. The trick is getting it out of Texas so you can move it north. You know, where it's actually worth something AND people have the money to buy it. Fortunately for everyone involved, there are these cool things called Mexicans who, for a price (used to be $50 a pound for weed in large volume and $500 a bird for the soft) will truck that junk out of Texas for you, since the narcos down there like to pull over white guys driving semi trucks out of the hot zones.


I'm sure it comes in thru every mile of border and at every port of entry, and probably quite a good bit on military transports, but I'm lacking a clue about any of those places.

If you're brave enough, dumb enough or lucky enough, it's not really that tough.

Edit: Cocaine sells itself. Anyone who can't sell it, even 20+, just isn't applying himself.

Wow
Amazing!!!

David Saab wasn't trying to get it into America.

I realize this. But fishtaco never tried getting it into Australia, so that story would've been a pretty boring read.
If I were to try getting it into Australia, I'd probably stuff it into dingos. This way, if anyone finds it I'll just start screaming "a dingo ate my birdy! a dingo ate my birdyyyyyy!". This way, I probably wouldn't end up like the bustee from the op.

Wow it took you a long time to make your first post on here. Almost 9 years!

Lolz @ you mentioning alcohol is universally abused and ignoring the fact that when any drug, regardless of what it is, when that substance is abused over a period of time that will **** you up.

As for cannabis, it actually has a harm to other rating quite similar to tobacco. I would imagine that rating was based on passive smoking.

Anyway, I think the graph is ****. No conrete, solid references or academic facts whatsoever. Anyone can make a graph and throw together random figures.

good post, 9 years in the making?

everything expensive here yo

Ummm, my bad: I hadn't been onsite for a year or so, and forgot my password, and when I tried to retrieve it the Bot kept bringing up Davidz instead of king nut: Davidz is a nick I registered but apparently never used and is associated with my main email ac. After a few tries I gave up and used it, but I've remembered my king nut PW so I'll stick with that. I hope it's not an issue, or if it is, then not here, because it's OT.

David Zanetti

Oh it's not an issue at all, I just thought it was hilarious it took that long to make a first post!

chart is worthless and means nothing

people killed at work: 3,432,000
people killed jumping out of planes without parachutes: 4

Hasn't really done much the last 12 months......taking a break perhaps??

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=48335

Finally, a legit busto thread

fyp so you get an answer > 1%.

don't u have a mitt romney rally to go to or something?

Does anybody know how David is going? Silly, silly boy.

You could write and ask him, or just say hello. He is in Victoria, and I guess you could find details about his address by emailing corrections@justice.vic.gov.au

It's a complete joke, just like that other chart I've seen released by the British Health whatever (this is probably the same agency. Mephedrone and butane towards the bottom of the list? LOL. Looks like when people go out partying should switch from drinking to huffing. And I'm sure Mephedrone has a similar profile of cardiotoxicity and excitotoxicity of the dopamine system that of at least amphetamine, and then combine that with the serotonergic effects . . . I also like how Heroin is magically far more harmful then methedoone magically because the pharm indstrustry condones it. Although it won't clean out your wallet at the same rate and people won't inject as often, it's very common for people to overdose and effects the brain and body in a very similar way while being more addictive due to it's half life. No use really going more into that chart.

Yeah, It's really hard to separate anti-drug propaganda from legit info...
that being said, if this chart is weighted by the amount of damage done based on the quaint of the drug being consumed by society, it does seem like it makes sense, and seems pretty accurate based on my experience. (Earlier in life, I have a regrettably long history of addiction and association with drug users, both using and in recovery)

just because drugs like Mephedrone and butane are near the bottom doesn't mean that they don't do more harm to INDIVIDUAL users, it just means that overall, they do harm to less people , because less people use them.
the more people that use a drug, the higher it will be on a list like this even if it is, or can be, less harmful..
Alcohol is good example... it is obviously the drug that does the most damage to people and others, but the vast majority of people that occasionally indulge don't experience any real harm to them self or others, but SO MANY PEOPLE use it that the relatively small people that it does great harm to add to to a very high number....


You mention that heroine is higher than Methadone, well not that i disagree with what you say about the Phamrma industry, but Heroine is Far More damaging to both users and others than Methadone because of two things, one the lifestyle you have to live as a heroine addict is far worse, and the quality of the drugs is usually far worse that anything pharmaceutical. I speak from a lot of experience with both, they are both evil, but daily Heroine use will drag a person down to the depths like almost nothing else (except for smoking coke)... and I know of many people that have seemingly normal lives on Methadone, (it doest cost hundreds of dollars per day, it allows you keep a job because it lasts a full day, you don't have go searching for drugs in rotten neighborhoods every 4 to 8 hours, you don't have to worry about abscesses and other damage from bad cut and missed shots,you don't have to suffer because your connection is out or you got ripped off... etc. etc. etc.



So I think this chart is based on Damage to the amount of people affected both users and others , and if so it seems like someone put a lot of effort into making this chart accurate.

as a footnote, I'm not proud that I wasted over 15 years of my life as a junkie, and was involved in one way or another with a lot of the drugs listed on the chart, but i am proud that I'm over it and because of that experience i can say the CHART SEEMS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. so please don't tell me or anyone else that the chart is bad and discussion is over, when you obviously don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.