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*** August 2017 High Stakes Thread *** *** August 2017 High Stakes Thread ***

08-17-2017 , 03:20 AM
@Loctus

It's just much more convenient to run all of the trees beforehand and have them stored. You don't even need too much storage to have a lot of the common spots at hand. Name them cleverly and you can quickly grab what you need just hitting windows key and typing a few letters. They open instantly for browsing if you just make sure you can find the file quickly.

Or know a bit of code and have a scraper grabbing them. Building something that grabs the action and always throws the right pre solved tree at the PIO browser is childs play really. It's just a much better solution than having PIO humming on another computer in real time. And sadly, incredibly easy to set up.
08-17-2017 , 03:51 AM
that is terrifying
08-17-2017 , 05:21 AM
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

crazyslag (UTG): $9,628.41 (193 bb)
0Human0 (MP): $5,792.40 (116 bb)
1nvoker (CO): $5,388.50 (108 bb)
ross_654 (BU): $8,418.46 (168 bb)
Azn1nvas1on (SB): $5,000.00 (100 bb)
OtB_RedBaron (BB): $7,154.83 (143 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
crazyslag (UTG) raises to $150, 3 players fold, Azn1nvas1on (SB) 3-bets to $550, 1 fold, crazyslag (UTG) calls $400

Flop: ($1,150) 3 T 5 (2 players)
Azn1nvas1on (SB) bets $584.97, crazyslag (UTG) calls $584.97

Turn: ($2,319.94) 4 (2 players)
Azn1nvas1on (SB) bets $825, crazyslag (UTG) raises to $8,493.44 (all-in), Azn1nvas1on (SB) calls $3,040.03 (all-in)

First River: ($10,050) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($10,050) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10,050 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: 3 T 5 4 A

crazyslag (UTG) shows Q A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 61%, Turn: 20%, River: 0%)

Azn1nvas1on (SB) shows 6 7 (a straight, Three to Seven)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 39%, Turn: 80%, River: 100%)

Azn1nvas1on (SB) wins $5,023.50

Second Showdown: Board: 3 T 5 4 9

crazyslag (UTG) shows Q A (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 61%, Turn: 20%, River: 0%)

Azn1nvas1on (SB) shows 6 7 (a straight, Three to Seven)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 39%, Turn: 80%, River: 100%)

Azn1nvas1on (SB) wins $5,023.50





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

crazyslag (UTG): $5,000.00 (100 bb)
1nvoker (CO): $5,856.02 (117 bb)
ross_654 (BU): $9,253.27 (185 bb)
Azn1nvas1on (SB): $10,506.75 (210 bb)
OtB_RedBaron (BB): $6,090.75 (122 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
3 players fold, Azn1nvas1on (SB) raises to $150, OtB_RedBaron (BB) 3-bets to $466.25, Azn1nvas1on (SB) calls $316.25

Flop: ($932.50) Q 8 3 (2 players)
Azn1nvas1on (SB) checks, OtB_RedBaron (BB) bets $428.85, Azn1nvas1on (SB) raises to $1,250, OtB_RedBaron (BB) calls $821.15

Turn: ($3,432.50) 9 (2 players)
Azn1nvas1on (SB) bets $8,790.50 (all-in), OtB_RedBaron (BB) calls $4,374.50 (all-in)

First River: ($12,181.50) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($12,181.50) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $12,181.50 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: Q 8 3 9 J

Azn1nvas1on (SB) shows 9 T (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 45%, Turn: 23%, River: 50%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) shows T J (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 68%, Flop: 55%, Turn: 77%, River: 50%)

Azn1nvas1on (SB) wins $3,044.63
OtB_RedBaron (BB) wins $3,044.63

Second Showdown: Board: Q 8 3 9 K

Azn1nvas1on (SB) shows 9 T (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 45%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) shows T J (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 68%, Flop: 55%, Turn: 77%, River: 100%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) wins $6,089.24





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 5 players
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1nvoker (UTG): $5,816.87 (116 bb)
Azn1nvas1on (CO): $11,161.28 (223 bb)
OtB_RedBaron (BU): $9,321.62 (186 bb)
crazyslag (SB): $6,948.00 (139 bb)
DRluck3 (BB): $5,000.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
1nvoker (UTG) raises to $111.50, Azn1nvas1on (CO) 3-bets to $325, 3 players fold, 1nvoker (UTG) 4-bets to $1,050, Azn1nvas1on (CO) calls $725

Flop: ($2,175) 2 8 A (2 players)
1nvoker (UTG) bets $651.60, Azn1nvas1on (CO) calls $651.60

Turn: ($3,478.20) J (2 players)
1nvoker (UTG) checks, Azn1nvas1on (CO) bets $9,459.68 (all-in), 1nvoker (UTG) calls $4,115.27 (all-in)

First River: ($11,708.74) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($11,708.74) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $11,708.74 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: 2 8 A J 8

Azn1nvas1on (CO) shows 9 T (a pair of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 34%, Turn: 30%, River: 0%)

1nvoker (UTG) shows Q A (two pair, Aces and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 66%, Turn: 70%, River: 100%)

1nvoker (UTG) wins $5,852.87

Second Showdown: Board: 2 8 A J T

Azn1nvas1on (CO) shows 9 T (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 34%, Turn: 30%, River: 0%)

1nvoker (UTG) shows Q A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 66%, Turn: 70%, River: 100%)

1nvoker (UTG) wins $5,852.87
08-17-2017 , 05:23 AM
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 4 players
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OtB_RedBaron (UTG): $5,350.00 (107 bb)
cis_san9984 (BU): $5,289.23 (106 bb)
1nvoker (SB): $9,631.60 (193 bb)
ross_654 (BB): $5,073.00 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
1 fold, cis_san9984 (BU) raises to $125, 1nvoker (SB) 3-bets to $450, 1 fold, cis_san9984 (BU) calls $325

Flop: ($950) T 8 2 (2 players)
1nvoker (SB) bets $775, cis_san9984 (BU) calls $775

Turn: ($2,500) 6 (2 players)
1nvoker (SB) bets $1,550, cis_san9984 (BU) calls $1,550

River: ($5,600) J (2 players)
1nvoker (SB) bets $6,856.60 (all-in), cis_san9984 (BU) calls $2,514.23 (all-in)

Total pot: $10,628.46 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
1nvoker (SB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 55%, Turn: 70%, River: 0%)

cis_san9984 (BU) shows J T (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 45%, Turn: 30%, River: 100%)

cis_san9984 (BU) wins $10,626.46





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 3 players
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cis_san9984 (BU): $12,708.03 (254 bb)
1nvoker (SB): $9,189.88 (184 bb)
OtB_RedBaron (BB): $5,263.95 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
cis_san9984 (BU) raises to $125, 1nvoker (SB) 3-bets to $450, OtB_RedBaron (BB) 4-bets to $1,025, 1 fold, 1nvoker (SB) 5-bets to $9,189.88 (all-in), OtB_RedBaron (BB) calls $4,238.95 (all-in)

First Flop: ($10,652.90) 9 K 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

First Turn: ($10,652.90) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

First River: ($10,652.90) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Flop: ($10,652.90) 9 K 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Turn: ($10,652.90) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($10,652.90) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10,652.90 (Rake: $2)

First Showdown: Board: 9 K 3 A J

1nvoker (SB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 48%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 52%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

1nvoker (SB) wins $2,662.73
OtB_RedBaron (BB) wins $2,662.72

Second Showdown: Board: 9 K 4 5 T

1nvoker (SB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 50%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 50%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

1nvoker (SB) wins $2,662.73
OtB_RedBaron (BB) wins $2,662.72
08-17-2017 , 07:14 AM
OBORRA -> A RROBO
08-17-2017 , 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prahsk87
Very interesting. I'm pretty surprised you're implying that preflop NLHE is more complicated than postflop NLHE; I would've assumed the opposite. So GTO solvers have 6max postflop play pretty much perfect these days? Doesn't the game become exponentially more complicated as you increase stack sizes?
well if that hand too is right out of the sim textbook then it seems highly likely this guy is using a bot... I looked up some pretty weird spots and i never bothered to look up some random **** like this. I can see reasons for doing this but probably wouldnt bother in practice (makes later trees much more complicated)

that being said, a lot of his other plays seem very sim-esque... I think this hand is quite solid evidence to present to stars that he's using a bot. It's like a hacker's equivalent of calling a cr and to the river with some random pair or something
08-17-2017 , 10:12 AM
One of my friend who s close to the Rusisan high stakes community told me a while ago Oborra had a bot and it was well known.

There is no doubt about that but stars wont do anything, just like seat scripting.
08-17-2017 , 10:15 AM
Is otb still better than OBO(t)RRA is what I'd like to know
08-17-2017 , 10:56 AM
oborra must love reading this thread (probably through google translate)
08-17-2017 , 11:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TreadLightly
oborra must love reading this thread (probably through google translate)
oborra englishes okay
08-17-2017 , 11:56 AM
Another well known HSNL reg hinted a while back that he's heard OBORRA has a bot. Seems to be common knowledge among HS regs that he does. Amazing how Stars can't do anything about it.
Wouldn't it be enough to take a recent sample of his hands and compare with how pio would play them and then get him to send footage of him playing without a bot and compare those with pio to see if there's a discrepancy?
Could prove with a reasonable degree of certainty whether he's botting imo.
08-17-2017 , 12:05 PM
so much hate on OBORRA.
08-17-2017 , 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrno1324
Another well known HSNL reg hinted a while back that he's heard OBORRA has a bot. Seems to be common knowledge among HS regs that he does. Amazing how Stars can't do anything about it.
Wouldn't it be enough to take a recent sample of his hands and compare with how pio would play them and then get him to send footage of him playing without a bot and compare those with pio to see if there's a discrepancy?
Could prove with a reasonable degree of certainty whether he's botting imo.
iirc they did ban him for a while while they investigated his play, a few months ago
08-17-2017 , 12:12 PM
TIL Linus' identity is known and he has an active twitter account. Some funny/insightful/weird tweets as well. Can anyone confirm it's legit?

EDIT: Nope, twitter is fake news sadly.
08-17-2017 , 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrno1324
TIL Linus' identity is known and he has an active twitter account. Some funny/insightful/weird tweets as well. Can anyone confirm it's legit?

EDIT: Nope, twitter is fake news sadly.
I can confirm that twitter acc is not me and is fake
08-17-2017 , 01:27 PM
Lmao that twitter ��
08-17-2017 , 02:09 PM
Doesn't LLinus/OTB/Trueteller allow OBORRA in their 3-handed line-up or why doesn't he take a seat? It would seem like you'd wanna take any line-up for as high amount as possible if you have GTO solutions for almost any postflop spot?

NLHE going the way of a dodo bird :<

E: Anyone familiar with mobile app development? If online poker in the future would become tablet device only for iPhone/Android (so PCs no longer allowed while playing), would it be possible to sandbox those apps so that you can't get any information from the app to any 3rd party assistance tool? For example my bank has disabled taking screenshots with your device when running their mobile bank app... Obviously you could always type in your spots to another device running PIO or whatnot solver, but if you reduce time to act in the poker client enough, I doubt it's humanly possible to do this.

E2: I guess this is what bumhunter setup in 2020 could look like

Last edited by ezdonkey; 08-17-2017 at 02:18 PM.
08-17-2017 , 04:34 PM
Maybe he has photographic memory or some ****.
08-17-2017 , 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ezdonkey
E2: I guess this is what bumhunter setup in 2020 could look like
it already looks like that ^
08-17-2017 , 04:55 PM
The likelihood that someone with spongebob avatar has a photographic memory must be off the roof. Definitely seems like a GTO solution to a botting accusation.
08-17-2017 , 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watergun7
Standard stuff.

On that river there if it got to showdown and he had a hand ATo then I would say that he is for sure cheating.
Why do you say that?
08-17-2017 , 05:56 PM
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 5 players
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DRluck3 (UTG): $7,738.84 (155 bb)
angryogr1 (CO): $5,628.32 (113 bb)
0Human0 (BU): $5,735.22 (115 bb)
crazyslag (SB): $5,644.35 (113 bb)
cis_san9984 (BB): $8,612.86 (172 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
2 players fold, 0Human0 (BU) raises to $124.50, crazyslag (SB) 3-bets to $450, cis_san9984 (BB) 4-bets to $945, 1 fold, crazyslag (SB) 5-bets to $2,200, cis_san9984 (BB) 6-bets to $8,612.86 (all-in), crazyslag (SB) calls $3,444.35 (all-in)

Flop: ($11,413.20) 4 K K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($11,413.20) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($11,413.20) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $11,413.20 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
cis_san9984 (BB) shows A K (three of a kind, Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

crazyslag (SB) shows A 3 (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

cis_san9984 (BB) wins $11,410.20





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 6 players
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0Human0 (UTG): $4,885.14 (98 bb)
ross_654 (MP): $5,510.00 (110 bb)
cis_san9984 (CO): $14,599.98 (292 bb)
Tochminator (BU): $5,866.12 (117 bb)
DRluck3 (SB): $8,331.72 (167 bb)
ac1dd (BB): $5,000.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
3 players fold, Tochminator (BU) raises to $115, 1 fold, ac1dd (BB) 3-bets to $500, Tochminator (BU) 4-bets to $1,300, ac1dd (BB) 5-bets to $5,000 (all-in), Tochminator (BU) calls $3,700

First Flop: ($10,025) 6 7 Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

First Turn: ($10,025) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($10,025) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Flop: ($10,025) 5 J 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($10,025) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($10,025) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10,025 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: 6 7 Q A Q

ac1dd (BB) shows Q Q (four of a kind, Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 90%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

Tochminator (BU) shows K K (two pair, Kings and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 10%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

ac1dd (BB) wins $5,011

Second Showdown: Board: 5 J 8 T J

ac1dd (BB) shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 10%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

Tochminator (BU) shows K K (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 90%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

Tochminator (BU) wins $5,011
08-17-2017 , 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by N0M3RCY
The likelihood that someone with spongebob avatar has a photographic memory must be off the roof. Definitely seems like a GTO solution to a botting accusation.
Yeah his bot is choosing the avatar imo
08-17-2017 , 05:57 PM
PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 3 players
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cts687 (BU): $7,173.59 (143 bb)
EEE27 (SB): $5,344.00 (107 bb)
St1ckman (BB): $5,247.16 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
cts687 (BU) raises to $175, 1 fold, St1ckman (BB) 3-bets to $550, cts687 (BU) calls $375

Flop: ($1,125) Q 8 5 (2 players)
St1ckman (BB) bets $1,123, cts687 (BU) raises to $4,492, St1ckman (BB) raises to $4,697.16 (all-in), cts687 (BU) calls $205.16

First Turn: ($10,519.32) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($10,519.32) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($10,519.32) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($10,519.32) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10,519.32 (Rake: $2)

First Showdown: Board: Q 8 5 K T

St1ckman (BB) shows 3 T Q 9 (two pair, Queens and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 60%, Flop: 38%, Turn: 33%, River: 100%)

cts687 (BU) shows 8 4 6 Q (two pair, Queens and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 40%, Flop: 62%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

St1ckman (BB) wins $5,258.66

Second Showdown: Board: Q 8 5 T K

St1ckman (BB) shows 3 T Q 9 (two pair, Queens and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 60%, Flop: 38%, Turn: 85%, River: 100%)

cts687 (BU) shows 8 4 6 Q (two pair, Queens and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 40%, Flop: 62%, Turn: 15%, River: 0%)

St1ckman (BB) wins $5,258.66





PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 6 players
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terror777727 (UTG): $2,917.00 (58 bb)
St1ckman (MP): $13,700.17 (274 bb)
0Human0 (CO): $2,000.00 (40 bb)
JayP-AA (BU): $6,497.00 (130 bb)
showtizzy100 (SB): $3,890.24 (78 bb)
EEE27 (BB): $5,072.00 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
2 players fold, 0Human0 (CO) raises to $175, JayP-AA (BU) calls $175, showtizzy100 (SB) calls $150, EEE27 (BB) calls $125

Flop: ($700) 4 7 Q (4 players)
showtizzy100 (SB) checks, EEE27 (BB) checks, 0Human0 (CO) checks, JayP-AA (BU) checks

Turn: ($700) 6 (4 players)
showtizzy100 (SB) checks, EEE27 (BB) checks, 0Human0 (CO) checks, JayP-AA (BU) bets $500, showtizzy100 (SB) folds, EEE27 (BB) raises to $1,875, 0Human0 (CO) folds, JayP-AA (BU) calls $1,375

River: ($4,450) 5 (2 players)
EEE27 (BB) bets $3,022 (all-in), JayP-AA (BU) calls $3,022

Total pot: $10,494 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
EEE27 (BB) shows Q 8 5 Q (a straight, Four to Eight)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 70%, River: 0%)

JayP-AA (BU) shows 9 6 K 8 (a straight, Five to Nine)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 48%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 30%, River: 100%)

JayP-AA (BU) wins $10,491





PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 5 players
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JayP-AA (UTG): $11,916.00 (238 bb)
showtizzy100 (CO): $5,412.24 (108 bb)
terror777727 (BU): $2,892.00 (58 bb)
St1ckman (SB): $12,025.17 (241 bb)
0Human0 (BB): $2,000.00 (40 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($75)
JayP-AA (UTG) raises to $175, showtizzy100 (CO) calls $175, 1 fold, St1ckman (SB) calls $150, 1 fold

Flop: ($575) 5 3 5 (3 players)
St1ckman (SB) checks, JayP-AA (UTG) checks, showtizzy100 (CO) bets $572, St1ckman (SB) raises to $1,566, JayP-AA (UTG) folds, showtizzy100 (CO) calls $994

Turn: ($3,707) T (2 players)
St1ckman (SB) bets $3,704, showtizzy100 (CO) calls $3,671.24 (all-in)

River: ($11,049.48) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11,049.48 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
St1ckman (SB) shows 3 4 5 9 (a full house, Fives full of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 46%, Flop: 100%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

showtizzy100 (CO) shows 7 4 A 6 (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 54%, Flop: 0%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

St1ckman (SB) wins $11,046.48
08-17-2017 , 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apodal
Why do you say that?
I think this is beyond understanding of someone with aug 2017 acc

      
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