Good to see some other people with some clues

Look at page one of NVG. Players scamming players cheating poker sites acting immorally. Why would recreational gamblers play this great game with so much pond scum floating around who are majorly over skilled in comparison but still can’t even offer them a fair game. Thanks for ruining poker dickwads

Why does the clean cut guy have crack? Is he a drug dealer, or does he know how to responsibly use crack?

A strong player lending a broke weaker player money to play on as a huge dog is so obviously predatory and scummy. Poker message boards are literally the only community that would fail to grasp that

So it’s coles fault he lent him 100k when he was told he would pay back no problem ?

I agree there's situations where it could be predatory/scummy, but making a blanket statement that it's immoral in all situations is a pretty ridiculous assertion. Regardless of how you feel about good players lending money to keep a fish in action, it's still far worse to scam someone out of their money - especially the kind of sum we're talking about.

I mean, if you break it down, yeah. Let's analyze it:

Cole has $100k of disposable monies. He can do whatever he wants with it.
-keep it
-burn it
-loan it out
-etc
He chooses to keep it and not loan it out: he cannot be denied his money this way short of being robbed for it, and thus is not in the position to lose it. But, due to a request from allegedly scummy poker player for a loan, he chooses to hand it off to the nice, funny, charismatic guy whom he knows doesn't have access to $100k right now. Whoops.

Can we see how that action^^^^ right there ^^^^ is Cole's fault? Contingent upon being paid back or not, it is in fact his own fault.

Yes I agree, but at the time what 9 years ago now? Eli was a full tilt sponsored pro was all over tv in all the high stakes action , i think it’s fair to say cole didn’t know at the time Eli wasn’t good for it or was struggling , but I do get the point

Back in those days it was quite frequent high stakes players loaned each other money, bc it’s not easy to just take out 100k from a bank machine...

The interesting part is that we'll never know if Eli was struggling or not. Plenty of people do crappy things for no reason.

But we can literally never know.

It was Eli's "Understanding" that he would have a long term, no interest, no penalty loan that he would not have to fully pay off.

What the **** does lending somebody $100k have to be with being scummy?

I had the exact same thought.

Regarding Mason's original post about that, his updated statement in response to you, along with other things 2+2 has said ITT, I feel like they are sort of just winging a strategy here and making it up as they respond to each blow from the NVG mob.

Maybe I should write, publish and send them a free copy of a strategy book.

"How to Deal with Marketing Blunders".

David tried to clean things up but man his words are sort of hard to follow. He must be at some higher level of intellectual awareness



This is really all left to be said. Thread now is either just another in a long list of scammer threads, or endless gibberish.... case in point whatever the eff that post was comparing loaning money to a poker player to giving someone crack. that was crazytown wtf even by NVG standards

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Did you even happen to read the rest of his post? I think this is maybe a little bit more generally intended, but you clearly didn't finish reading.

Might I recommend reading the entire post?

Would you say stealing land is predatory and scummy?

Why bother, he won’t understand

It’s obviously generally speaking and I come across as harsh on CTS which I don’t intend. I don’t know the specifics of the situation but the way Eli is being lampooned is ridiculous

As a mindset Everything is my fault is life changing

Joan Rivers was right.

Why is it generally speaking when we are talking about a specific thing that happened?

You don’t know the specifics but u know more then everyone else ?

It’s ridiculous the person who stole money and then said he doesnt owe anything and he owes no money and pays all his debts is being treated?

Dude..lol

I have a great idea for my money, Let’s lend it to losing gamblers then squawk when we don’t get paid back

Dude/poker players. Lol

Yeah turned out was a bad idea , he’s out 60k, we agree on that, he lent it tho thinking he was going to get it back , from someone he thought was reputable, Eli in this thread has said he owes no one any money pays all his debts , while promoting an autobiography, which brings us here,

Understand now?

I'm not sure what to think about 2+2 publishing an autobiography of a guy that might owe people money. Maybe that shouldn't be a publishers problem, maybe it should. What I'm more confident about is that it should concern them to publish an autobiography of someone who has been caught out and out being dishonest on topics related to the book.

The fact that he comes here saying he always pays his debts but CTS is showing otherwise can be debated as some kind of misunderstanding even though that seems extremely unlikely and a convenient excuse. But he also said here he always has 100% of himself and Cole's text proves otherwise. I don't think 2+2 can feel very comfortable publishing an autobiography that is so likely to be filled with untruths.

Do we?

Here’s a possible scenario. Eli was tired , tilted and broke playing badly. Maybe even drunk

Cole saw his predatory opportunity and lent him 100k, most of which he won back himself

Eli paid back 60k then correctly reasoned he had been takin advantage of. So he helped Cole with a few industry connections or juicy game invites and considered the matter closed

Perhaps not wonderful behaviour by Eli, but pretty much matched by Cole. High stakes poker people doing their thing

Eli's typos are some of the best unintentional comedy I've seen in a long time.

Can't imagine how awfully written the first draft of his book must have been.

Good thing he relies on his "soul reads" for a living.

Eli's autobiography was first written in Hebrew. The book we published is an English translation of the original book.

Mason

You make it sound like the Dead Sea Scrolls

Maybe it should be retitled as The Deadbeat’s Rolls

Mason, does it trouble you that he said here that he always has 100% of himself and in the text Cole posted, he said he was staked by a rich Israeli?