https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmdhRT49q5g


Nice job ari thanks for thinking about mid stakes players.
Its nice to see guys like you and chainsaw speaking up for the guys that have smaller bankrolls

He definitely makes some valid points. Good post.

World Series of Poker not world series of 1500 nl events

he does make some good points, but is also very biased in wanting more 1500 events

Never heard of Ari, but he made good points and didn't act like a pussy, so respect to him.

Spending 18 hours to win $50k from a $235 buy-in doesn't seem horrible to me. If that's too much time they can always get a job and work just 8 hours a day for a full year instead.

I pretty much agree with everything in the video. But why did he shave his head? I played with him last week and he looked a lot better with the jewfro.

I agree with his points on trying to cram small buyins events into a single day. It shouldn't be that difficult to bring a few tables back for a day 2 in venues that can handle large events.

But his desire for more $1k/$1500 NL events is entirely self serving. Since Moneymaker the WSOP has changed immensely to serve the desire for more NL, and specifically more low buy NL events.

The 2000 WSOP had 3 NLHE events out of 22 total events.

This year the WSOP has 35 NLHE events out of 65 total events.

Non NLHE events have added a couple, while NL has increased almost 12x. The WSOP has clearly responded to consumer demand for these events. If you broaden the tourneys a typical NL pro can play to Pot Limit Holdem and Pot Limit Omaha, they get 43 events to play this year.

On days where the WSOP isn't running a lower buyin NL event, they have satellites, mega-satellites, etc. And I know we should be boycotting the Venetian because it's trying to kill online poker, but it's also running $500-$1500 NL events almost every day. But the ethical player still has options to play events running at other rooms on off days as well.

Ari, they are already heavily focused on the lower-stakes players. The 2000 WSOP had 8 events $1500 or cheaper, this year they have 38 events at $1,500 or less (not counting employee $500 in either year). Any reduction in the bigger buyin & non-NLHE events to add more mid-stakes events makes the WSOP far less interesting and attractive, and loses important connections to it's roots.

Oh, and to paraphrase Mark Twain, you posted a 12 minute video apparently because you didn't have time to make a shorter one. The same points made in 5 minutes reaches a bigger audience.

The room could also make the winner eat a cockroach before giving them the check, and if they balked say "if that's too gross for you, you can just go back and work your job for a year to make this kind of money".

The room is selling a service, the player is a customer for that service. The room should want to customize the service to make it better if it makes them more profitable. Turning a $235 into a 2 day event is better service at a minor extra cost, it requires 10% of starting tables to bring back in-the-money players (and likely far less if it's final table or two tables)*. Over time better service should win.

Edit: Actually probably no incremental cost since running those same tables when fully staffed at noon should cost no more than getting the graveyard shift to do it.

You've totally misunderstood what he said. He said that 50k is a "life-changing" amount of money and asking these lower buy-in players to be zombied out after 18 hrs to make decisions for that amount of money isn't right.

He suggested capping the time limit and allow players get a little rest so they can be more aware and be more focused with such a large amount of money on the line

Yep, sounds like we're in agreement.

I understood his point and perspective. I just disagree.

My thinking is you want a good set up for the players and maximum participation. The all nighters are resulting in reduced fields. Starting at noon and playing until 6 o'clock the next morning is ridiculous and does not need to happen.

Or maybe we can just take your attitude and apply it elsewhere like this:

Make the Masters and British Open two day events with 36 holes a day. To think the play diminishes or the fields are reduced doesn't matter. **** the players. Those pansies should man up.

If they don't like it then they can go work at Burger King.

How often are you folks final tabling back to back events?