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10-02-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by joel2006
You clearly don't understand the nature of addiction. The decision making isn't rational, it's emotional. Addictions give people enormous pleasure, so much so that they are willing to endure extremely negative consequences to continue their behavior.
that is a rational decision that they are cognizant they are making. it just happens to be selfish and destructive.
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10-02-2010 , 03:59 PM
If you are a winning player nobody will call it an addiction, especially not yourself.
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10-02-2010 , 04:06 PM
Gus stopped making -EV prop bets.....now he plays a style of poker which is more -EV than his prop bets....

Phil Ivey has more money than most people will ever need, but still feels the need to burn it at dice...but because its Phil "hey its his money" but when its you "LOL u gambL0R!! FAIL LIFE!"

GL nit boxes...but you know calling preflop in poker with anything but pocket aces is essentially gambling that you have the better hand....true story....
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10-02-2010 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OFFtopicposter
I don't think Daniel played as bad on HSP as you all seem to think. He's always active at the table, so obv he's going to get into some pretty tough spots and get coolered more often than most. And how many times did Dwan river two pair? We have a word for people who call down with second pair all day.. they're called fish, and DN takes their money in the long run.
So you think DN is +EV vs Dwan long-term?
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10-02-2010 , 05:51 PM
I lost over 50k playing slot machines. I went through the same thing you are going through. The only solution I found was moving out of vegas and moving to so cal where they had poker rooms that did not have slot machines. Only other solution is to just play online poker and never step foot in a casino.
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10-02-2010 , 06:04 PM
To OP's Question:

I started out my gambling adventures playing blackjack. I was probably about 23 years old. First time won $3k. Worst possible thing ever, this money is so easy!!!!!! I spent about a year and a half as a total degen. It was really really bad. I'm talking about I owned a business and lost a lot of the business money bad. So bad that my bank shut down my account cause of the withdrawals from my business account at casino ATM's. Yeah that wasn't embarrassing..........

Since this was a family owned business, my mom eventually found out when the numbers weren't right. It was bad, but was the best thing cause I promised her I wouldn't gamble anymore. And I pretty much stuck to that promise.

So over the course of the next few years after that I get into poker. Well Mom sees me playing online and of course I get the "you promised etc etc etc"

I then show her that I had only deposited like $20, and by this time I had run it up to maybe $300 or so, and I got the well be careful, if you blow any money I'll disown you speech.

Her attitude changed when checks from the sites kept coming in regularly. Then I would go to the bike, bink a donkament hand her a G spot and all of the sudden it was, "so when are you going to play again?" It was getting obvious that it wasn't a fluke.

Guess what, my mom who made me promise not to gamble then became my biggest poker supporter and even bankrolled me, which got me going and able to build a real bankroll. She even sold pieces of my action for little homegrown BAP's to her old lady friends in the "Red Hat" club or whatever. I made some of those ladys with fixed incomes nice little chunks on a $50 investment, and they love me too.

Now when I go to vegas or whatever, I see the table games and it almost makes me physically ill to look at them. I think of the money that I blew in my gambling infancy and I just want to kick myself so hard. But i learned a valuable lesson, and have since earned back all the dough I lost in spades.

What I love about poker now, is that it lets me indulge my inner Degen without feeling guilty about it, cause I know I am a plus ev player. I can still take that trip to vegas, and not have the drive of shame back to LA. (That drive of shame when busto from BJ is the worst, and I did it many times)

The bottom line is, you got to have the willpower to not go to the pit. It's like telling an alcoholic to be able to go into a bar and only drink wine coolers, it's not easy. Perhaps you don't have the willpower to do that. If that is the case then completely stopping is the only way to go. I hope you have the willpower cause poker is just too much fun to give up cold turkey

Hopefully my experience can help you a bit.
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10-02-2010 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joel2006
You clearly don't understand the nature of addiction. The decision making isn't rational, it's emotional. Addictions give people enormous pleasure, so much so that they are willing to endure extremely negative consequences to continue their behavior.
this should be underscored a billion. In the late past i ran up some addictions (drugs mostly) because of lack of selfdiscipline in my adventurous nature but kicked them all quite easily.

However, i never took the easy road in my mind glorifying my ability to kick it in relation to everybody else suffering from them and inability to kick it with the ease i did. It's 2010 people, wake up and smell the genetic code. We are all walking different paths and suffer similar and different hurdles in non-comparable qualities and quantities.

Especially in addictions genetics make up for the larger part of the equasion (the other mostly upbringing) that sets the bar of difficulty. I find it mindnumblingy narrowminded so many people still think along the lines: "hey it's easy for me, so if it's so hard for him he must be a lower/weaker lifeform than i am".

Yes, i guess this makes me angry because so much unnecessary downgrading towards people suffering from these tendencies is the result of that outlook, it is truly hurtful despite its obvious ignorance.

Last edited by Riina; 10-02-2010 at 06:44 PM.
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10-02-2010 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SayGN
So you think DN is +EV vs Dwan long-term?
yeah

ETA: esp if he plays him HU and trusts his instincts. yeah, I do.
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10-02-2010 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zuk1
I know, I find gambling addictions really hard to fathom.

Just seems like you would have to be so stupid to consistently pay to play a game that always wins.
With gambling addictions sometimes loseing gives the addict as much of a rush as winning does.
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10-02-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by breitling996
Not every bodys brain is wired the same, for some ppl the only way they can feel anything is when they r losing, alot poker players i bet struggle with this as well. Ie. they know they have the losing hand but click or call just to see and feel the pain of losing..
Interesting. Dunno about only feeling something when losing; maybe the unknown, ie folding when beat, is the void and no matter how small the chance of winning is, if there's a minute chance, let's take it and see. Maybe a bit of ego in there too with not wanting to be bluffed.

Every deposit I've ever made has gone into the poker community because of that sht.

"Hmmm, he's got the nuts for sure. I'm crushed.....SHOOOOOVE"

wtf is that?

Good luck OP! (+all others with the gene)
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10-02-2010 , 07:01 PM
ketamine helped me get over coke. substituting one vice for a lessor can work imo. its rare that someone from a ummmm forgiving (and wealthy) family like you can pull it together and win. poker is really hard to beat when **** is handed to you

gl and congrats
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10-02-2010 , 07:04 PM
dgiharris has a post in Psychology forum about this I believe.
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10-02-2010 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stompin
ketamine helped me get over coke. substituting one vice for a lessor can work imo. its rare that someone from a ummmm forgiving (and wealthy) family like you can pull it together and win. poker is really hard to beat when **** is handed to you

gl and congrats
lesser vice I suppose in some terms (well, most, probably) but K? hahaha man that's hardcore switching your nights from coke frenzies to K holes.

Listening to Tom Waits in a k hole was more than enough to make me hate that sht.
anyway..
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10-02-2010 , 07:20 PM
Only thing more destructive than gambling and losing is gambling and winning.
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10-02-2010 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mr.bum
wtf is a gambling addiction? gambling problem= logic problem
This is why Ivey's such a terrible poker player.
Also why a ton of geniuses smoke, drink, etc...

You, on the other hand, show great logical understanding.
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10-02-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
lesser vice I suppose in some terms (well, most, probably) but K? hahaha man that's hardcore switching your nights from coke frenzies to K holes.

Listening to Tom Waits in a k hole was more than enough to make me hate that sht.
anyway..
agreee k has a bad reception, havent seen it in years but it didnt affect my day to day anywhere near as bad as coke. the stuff is basically **** they cant give it away thats why its not one bit addictive
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10-02-2010 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sqred
Any good poker players beat this? How did you do it? How do you go to a casino to play poker all day, yet walk right past the Crack Dealers standing behind their 21 tables?

Please answer if you understand what I mean and have made steps to rectify.
Find a friend with the same problem. Prop bet where it would cost either of you 10k if you play a hand of BJ, craps..... Profit.
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10-02-2010 , 09:06 PM
ya idk how people get addicted to BJ, its such a boring game...now roullete on the other hand is my addiction. id probly have double my net worth if i never played it.
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10-02-2010 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
This is why Ivey's such a terrible poker player.
Also why a ton of geniuses smoke, drink, etc...
You, on the other hand, show great logical understanding.
Lol. U think ivey has a gambling problem? He can afford the entertainment based gambling he does. And devolping a physical dependence to a chemical substance is completely different than saying I had to put myself before my family and bet the house on black because I is addicted to the thrill of gambooling.ducy?
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10-02-2010 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mr.bum
Lol. U think ivey has a gambling problem? He can afford the entertainment based gambling he does. And devolping a physical dependence to a chemical substance is completely different than saying I had to put myself before my family and bet the house on black because I is addicted to the thrill of gambooling.ducy?
You're very good at logical understanding as well, let's leave it at that.
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10-02-2010 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
You're very good at logical understanding as well, let's leave it at that.
Ty
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10-02-2010 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mozborgata
yeah

ETA: esp if he plays him HU and trusts his instincts. yeah, I do.

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10-02-2010 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stompin
agreee k has a bad reception, havent seen it in years but it didnt affect my day to day anywhere near as bad as coke. the stuff is basically **** they cant give it away thats why its not one bit addictive
Actually, Ketamine is very addictive if you do it everyday. There are a lot of reports out there.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/su...ituation.shtml

Just found it weird you replaced Cocaine with Ketamine and say its not addictive. It's one of the only addicting psychedelics(well its a dissociative). Im sure compared to a cocaine addiction it doesn't seem as bad.
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10-02-2010 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by zuk1
I know, I find gambling addictions really hard to fathom.

Just seems like you would have to be so stupid to consistently pay to play a game that always wins.
It's like an inside joke. You either get it, or you don't.
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10-03-2010 , 01:11 AM
buy a taser and every time you place a bet on any house game tase yourself on the back of the hand.
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