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Amateur Filmmaker Tries To Crowdfund Documentary For WSOP Main Event Buyin (breaks WSOP rules) Amateur Filmmaker Tries To Crowdfund Documentary For WSOP Main Event Buyin (breaks WSOP rules)

05-23-2014 , 11:13 PM
If the guy said he was going to film a documentary against the rules inside the WSOP and that he was a poker player without many public results and "please buy me in for this to happen" then I could understand criticizing OP for calling him out.

But it seems some misrepresentation has occurred at the very least.

When the guy puts himself out there and asks for money, he's fair game to be criticized, especially when people are pointing out some valid stuff (like exaggerated results, and no mention of how it's against policy to film yourself at WSOP for a doc).
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05-23-2014 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I can't speak for CDB, Ian*, but I don't think anyone else is claiming you are 100% scamming people. However, people often like to raise concerns even if they aren't 100% sure, as that's a difficult threshold to reach without more information. Why does it bother you so much that he would bring it up for discussion, Ian? If everything is on the up and up and it's a good investment, this thread is free advertising!
Maybe I'm the norwegian Ian If people wanna put him in the main, let them do it.. Maybe they wont just throw their money away next time
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05-23-2014 , 11:35 PM
This will end in tears for everyone involved. Definitely good to have been pointed out, even if the guy isn't acting maliciously, he is definitely misleading investors.
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05-23-2014 , 11:38 PM
This is terrible, the guy just wants to play!! Bury this thread!!!
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05-23-2014 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ItchingAgain
This is terrible, the guy just wants to play!! Bury this thread!!!


Maybe if you post more it'll get buried faster.
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05-23-2014 , 11:46 PM
^^ lol....


seriously tho this guys plan is terrible, gl filming the ME....
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05-24-2014 , 12:20 AM
Best outcome is he gets the funds, gets clearance to film, and then vaporizes T30k in first 15 minutes. I would probably pay to watch that and I'm not even joking.
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05-24-2014 , 12:30 AM
I think it's weird that so many people are going "ohhhh...it's illegal to film at WSOP". Hell, practically every good documentary I've seen involves hidden cameras and filming where it's not allowed. But of course, those people don't announce that they're going to use hidden cameras BEFORE they actually do the filming.
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05-24-2014 , 12:30 AM
Pretty typical for 2+2 to attack the guy who's in the right here.

This Ian guy is 100% full of **** & totally misleading investors but SrslySirius is the bad guy for pointing out huge holes in what he's doing?
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05-24-2014 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Not Hockey Guy
Pretty typical for 2+2 to attack the guy who's in the right here.

This Ian guy is 100% full of **** & totally misleading investors but SrslySirius is the bad guy for pointing out huge holes in what he's doing?
na man only like 1-2 ppl are attacking op. they prob rescinded their attacks too after reading abt the filmmaker's shenanigans.
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05-24-2014 , 01:20 AM
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Applying for media credentials, allowing 10min/day shooting B role footage on tournament floor.
Seems he has changed his plan
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05-24-2014 , 02:33 AM
What if you don't reach your goal?
If my goal is not reached, then your pledge will be put towards an entry fee to a smaller U.S. poker tournament recognized by the Hendon Mob, Card Player Magazine, and Bluff Magazine websites. There will be no documentary made if the goal is not met, but you will receive a similar contract and hourly updates in my progress during play of the selected tournament, including live photo and video updates.
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05-24-2014 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish Taco
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Originally Posted by Loctus
"With such a deep structure that suits my style of play, I’m a favorite to at least make the money, doubling your investment. But of course, my eye is always on the big prizes - the 7-figure payouts at the final table."

Pretty much fraud imo
Guaranteed November-Niner.
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05-24-2014 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish Taco
Just tell WSOP before hand so they don't let him enter into the event. That would make for a better movie IMO
Let him enter. Rat him out to WSOP. Forfeits buy-in and stack. Banned from all Caesars properties. Reported to Nevada Gaming Commision. Jail time?

Now that is a better way to handle the situation ... and probably a more interesting documentary!
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05-24-2014 , 03:31 AM
lol wtf did i just read
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05-24-2014 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Hell, practically every good documentary I've seen involves hidden cameras and filming where it's not allowed.
I'd like to see your list. I consider myself a documentary nerd yet I'm struggling to come up with a long list of films that involved filming with hidden cameras in unauthorized areas. Offhand, The Cove is probably No. 1 on that list. Catfish is up there. Of course, most of Michael Moore's films involve him getting ushered off various properties but I don't recall any hidden cameras. They're rather conspicuous, which is why we see them getting hassled by security throughout. In Capturing The Friedmans, I believe everyone knows about the cameras (i.e. they're not hidden) which makes the footage even more amazing and tragic.

At any rate, I can think of far more that do not involve stealth shooting than those that do. The King of Kong, Searching For Sugar Man, Spellbound, the Aristocrats, Undefeated, When We Were Kings, Fog Of War, Baseball and One Day In September are among my favorites. I don't recall any of those having Allen Funt moments.

Any, docs shot in the manner described by this guy seems like the exception, not the rule. Curious if he'll have to get clearances by those depicted, for example.
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05-24-2014 , 05:42 AM
@OP: As much as I love your videos, it certainly seems like you´re a ****ing idiot.
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05-24-2014 , 06:13 AM
The other day there's a thread about players selling shares with high markups while overstating their skill/results and people respond "no scam, free market".

Now in this thread, people say it's a scam because his results are old and he has no proof of skill or whatsoever?

He might violate IndieGogo and/or WSOP rules, but that's a different topic.
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05-24-2014 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
The other day there's a thread about players selling shares with high markups while overstating their skill/results and people respond "no scam, free market".

Now in this thread, people say it's a scam because his results are old and he has no proof of skill or whatsoever?

He might violate IndieGogo and/or WSOP rules, but that's a different topic.
wow, that's crazy. it's almost as if there is more than one person posting on on 2p2.
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05-24-2014 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
I'd like to see your list. I consider myself a documentary nerd yet I'm struggling to come up with a long list of films that involved filming with hidden cameras in unauthorized areas. Offhand, The Cove is probably No. 1 on that list. Catfish is up there. Of course, most of Michael Moore's films involve him getting ushered off various properties but I don't recall any hidden cameras. They're rather conspicuous, which is why we see them getting hassled by security throughout. In Capturing The Friedmans, I believe everyone knows about the cameras (i.e. they're not hidden) which makes the footage even more amazing and tragic.

At any rate, I can think of far more that do not involve stealth shooting than those that do. The King of Kong, Searching For Sugar Man, Spellbound, the Aristocrats, Undefeated, When We Were Kings, Fog Of War, Baseball and One Day In September are among my favorites. I don't recall any of those having Allen Funt moments.

Any, docs shot in the manner described by this guy seems like the exception, not the rule. Curious if he'll have to get clearances by those depicted, for example.
Well, I will gladly concede you have me on the total scope of documentaries, as the only ones I tend to watch target massage parlors or politicians taking bribes, and they seem to involve hidden cameras. (although I did in fact see the Cove).

But I was really just wondering about the title of the thread "making ILLEGAL documentary"; I'm sure it's against WSOP rules to film, but that alone doesn't reach the level of "illegal" to me. Now if NV has some state law against it, so be it. But even then, it's just strange to me to call any documentary "illegal" even if it used hidden cameras. It just struck me like the OP was more pissed that this guy was planning on filming where the OP isn't allowed to.

But none of that changes the fact that the real scam seems to be the idea of the documentary is just a cover for asking for a stake.
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05-24-2014 , 08:06 AM
He may not even make money if he cashes in the tournament. According to the perks on that page, $108 = 1% of net winnings (whatever that means). So if he wins and cashes for $x million, that's all going back to the investors. Based on the assumption that he's honourable and doesn't disappear lol.
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05-24-2014 , 09:14 AM
the guy has absolutely zero chance of getting away with it now its been published on this rat infested forum .
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05-24-2014 , 09:29 AM
interesting all the donations are 108...hard to believe that's random given what i've heard/read about that number.
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05-24-2014 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
He's actually selling pieces of himself in the tournament and writes:

"With such a deep structure that suits my style of play, I’m a favorite to at least make the money, doubling your investment. But of course, my eye is always on the big prizes - the 7-figure payouts at the final table."

Pretty much fraud imo
OK, I guess I missed this part. His wording definitely seems scammy
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05-24-2014 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
I think I just did?
Scumbag
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