So here's the juice (of what happened)
i have been playing at a game with a mix of china players and singapore players at leedon road, both short deck and no limit holdem, won some sessions and lost some sessions, all sessions were paid, no suspicion of foul play.
stopped playing at that game for awhile as i went to vegas for wsop, and cambodia for asian poker tournaments.
when i came back to singapore, was invited back to the game by the china host.
The game venue was changed to coronation road west, on 12 november 2022, they invited me to a no limit game 100/200 usd, bought in for a total of 250k usd, wei wen appeared at the game (have not played with him before and was not aware he was going to be at the game)
halfway through, i suspected the game was not clean, however, i could not leave the game halfway through as i wanted to confront the china host after the game and take the deck home with me to check if it was clean. the china host said i could not leave the house with the deck, but i took it anyway.
more info.
china host usually asks to take a % of my action, but before this game, he did not ask, however i asked him if he wanted a piece and he said yes, 50%,
i wonder, if he has 50% of my action, and after the game i mention that the game is not clean, why would he not pursue the matter, but instead threaten me by saying if i want to leave the house, i cant take the deck?
facts of the matter
i lost a total of about 160k usd, my share of 50% is 80k usd. when the china hosts (tony) asked me for the money afew days later, i asked the china host and weiwen to come out in person to settle the matter, but none of them turned up. instead, kenneth kee who has been asking me to bring more players to the game, has been going around behind my back to random poker players (including people who know me) saying that i lost at the game and refuse to pay, but let me ask everyone this question, would you pay if you took the deck home from a game and its marked with uv as from the video above?
if anyone would like to question my integrity or the facts of this situation, please feel free to come out and talk about it, weiwen, tony, kenneth kee, lets take a polygragh test together

Forgot to add, i am being staked to play at this game. [Uploading Image...]

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example of why you don't play home/private games #49489634698396

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Unfortunately, you have no real proof and likely owe the money; you have a serious "chain of custody" problem with the deck. You say you took the deck that was used and showed the UV markings in the video. They could say you either 1) marked the deck yourself or 2) the deck you showed in the video is not the same deck used in the game (i.e., you swapped them), in order to get out of paying $80K. I'm not taking either position, just pointing out that you don't have enough to prove to an objective/impartial party that you were cheated. Now, had you whipped out your phone and a UV light on the spot with the cards on the table you are golden, but the fact that you had sole possession of the deck (the stolen deck) pretty much wrecks your case, unfortunately.

According to the ethical code of the OP, exploiting whales in an illegal poker game is ethical, but being cheated by those same whales in the same game is unethical.

By making up your own code of ethics to suit you, you have to then accept the consequences, both good and bad.

P.S. I would never play in home game and never have done, for the reason that ethical lines are often very blurred if you do.

It's impressive how you manage to have the worst takes possible in every thread I have seen you post on.

We all know who the real dunce is.

That's according to you, the person who singlehandedly scuppered an important discussion about the flawed philosophy of the REG charity by posting a childish comment in the thread when I was making a serious point.

When you do this kind of thing you damage freedom of speech and debate.

Try involving yourself in debate, rather than posting personal attacks on the people that are debating.

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Back on topic, if you are (one is) prepared to play in an illegal game, that most likely is in part inhabited by criminals, most likely run by criminals or people connected to criminals,
because you think it is profitable for you, then you have immediately sacrificed your rights and any claims to being compensated for others treating you unfairly.

The reason why these games are illegal is because they offer no protections or guarantees in respect of game integrity, being paid what is due to you, or personal safety.

If you want those things then play in a legal game, don't come crying on a poker thread about how you were cheated, or alternatively take the complaint to the police, who will either laugh at you, or arrest you for being part of a criminal operation.

Please keep the thread on topic and keep your general opinion on home games to yourself.

Every derail is going to be deleted immediately, so don't waste your time engaging in one.

Question, how can other players read the UV markings during the game?

This is a weird situation, how can you prove that was the deck of cards brought back from the game and even if it was ; you would have to prove who and how they were using it to cheat.

As to paying the 80k , seems like both sides have alot to lose reputation wise, them more than you probably, letting you off the 80k is sort of admitting guilt on their part. If you don’t pay the 80k is your rep ruined for other games? Would your life be in danger? Weird spot indeed.

This is why jury trials for civil suits exist and facts are weighed to percentages of chance based on yes character and credibility of those involved

It sounds like the player claims to not be capable of pulling a reverse scam and faking the deck to get out of 80k and is saying believe me this is their deck because of my reputation

And yes the cheaters have to save face

I think he should just not pay and run off to somewhere else for his safety but they can’t do anything to him when obv guilty so just time to move on

OP if you are telling the truth, and I believe you are, I hope you take precautions for your physical safety. Maybe you already have. HS rigged house games often have criminal affiliations so I would move, get armed, and get a high end security system and spare no expense. GL. Your life > reputation

I don't understand why you didn't leave if you thought the game was dirty.

Were you stuck?

Did you consider asking for a new setup?

Anything in particular make you suspect the cards were marked? As opposed to cheating using other methods.

Stayed all the way cause i wanted to take the deck, i told the players and dealer to leave and i spoke to the host face to face and told him i thought the game wasnt clean, he said if i want to check the deck i can come back later with the light to check but leave the deck in his house, obviously i said no and took the deck and left

Sorry for the delayed responses, been an influx of queries from other people in my country who have been scammed by the same person. Been busy dealing with that haha

I mean why play such high stakes game without knowing what your getting into. So the times that youve won, you never asked to inspect the deck, yet when you lose the suspicion arises?
You might as well report it to the police ,rather than coming to open forum to slander someones name.

Same reason why people play on all these dodgy apps, sites needing agents to play etc - quality of game means risk:reward appears worth it to them compared to playing in a regulated environment

The cheaters will be equipped with special contact lenses that can read the UV markings.

I mean if you do decide to play in these unregulated enviornments. then you'll have to be ready for the repercussions. Especially risking such absurd amount of money, he really needs to do his research before jumping on.

Contact lenses from Germany obviously.

https://youtu.be/uLxLjLPbaGk?t=490

Ask Garrett what he would do.

Spit out my drink reading this comment lol. Well done!

I mean way past asking whether or not you pay now. You took actions that you were sure there was cheating going on. They didn’t support you. Why would you pay now? Why would they somehow believe you now? All bridges are burnt.

Playing against people that are bad is the same level of unethical as cheating.

I am very smart.