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06-06-2014 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveBacon
The real story here is that they had a larger prize-pool than the $1500 PLH WSOP Event happening at the same time.
How is it a story that people go to the place spreading a better game with better dealers and lower rake? I think the Rio hates its customers more than the V.
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06-06-2014 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Two Plus Two is really a one issue website when it comes to politics. We support those politicians who we feel are good for poker, and oppose those who want to restrict it.
Where "good for poker" can be as broad as "lower tax rates for Two Plus Two". Your one issue is stretched conveniently to encompass your interests:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...us-two-328346/
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06-06-2014 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Where "good for poker" can be as broad as "lower tax rates for Two Plus Two". Your one issue is stretched conveniently to encompass your interests:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...us-two-328346/
That issue really isn't about political leanings as much as it is about plain and simple common sense.
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06-06-2014 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rimlog
This was probably true before the Aria came along. I visited Vegas recently for a week of daily tournaments. The Venetian and Aria were in a different league to others in terms of structure etc, but the Aria beats the Venetian in every way - like a newer, slicker, friendlier version of the same thing.
Aria poker room is very cramped, slow to start new games, long lists, smug abrasive staff standing around chit chatting with one another. High stakes action is the only edge at Aria IMO.
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06-06-2014 , 03:42 PM
I've always enjoyed playing at Aria and they treat and take care of me well while i'm there.

Since my other post was deleted, i find it sickening and at the same time not surprising that anyone would still play at Venetian or anywhere Adelson has involvement in.
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06-06-2014 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dantes
How is it a story that people go to the place spreading a better game with better dealers and lower rake? I think the Rio hates its customers more than the V.
Rio, which is owned by caesars, has LEGAL online poker (WSOP.com) and is working hard to make is legal in multiple states. Pretty hard to hate your customers when you are trying to introduce new players to the game and make it more accessible for players to enjoy the game.
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06-06-2014 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy1978
Rio, which is owned by caesars, has LEGAL online poker (WSOP.com) and is working hard to make is legal in multiple states. Pretty hard to hate your customers when you are trying to introduce new players to the game and make it more accessible for players to enjoy the game.
That's nice that they have internet poker, but is doesn't address the fact that the product is inferior.
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06-07-2014 , 09:29 AM
Did everyone see this article posted on Forbes a couple of days ago?

Sheldon Adelson Is Winning His War Against Online Gambling

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Adelson appears to have seized the momentum. The Wall Street Journal recently reported that Adelson has managed to get the American Gaming Association, the casino-industry’s powerful lobbying group, to stop supporting online gambling. The AGA’s active backing of online gambling, which began in March 2010, had created a serious split among the group’s most important members—with Adelson’s Las Vegas Sands on one side and Caesars Entertainment and MGM Resorts on the other. People familiar with the matter say the change not only stopped AGA’s efforts in Washington, but also derailed plans to support online gambling on the state level.

Adelson has successfully disrupted the pro-online gambling coalition that has included high-profile retired politicians like Richard Gephardt and Alphonse D’Amato. Following Adelson’s announcement that he would actively fight against online gambling, another prominent Las Vegas casino billionaire, Steve Wynn, flip-flopped and said he no longer believed online gambling represented a good business opportunity for him. For years, online gambling advocates created an army of helpful lawyers, politicians and lobbyists by spreading their money around. But the same process seems to work in the other direction as well.

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Adelson is not responsible for all of online gambling’s setbacks in the last six months. But he has had a hand in putting proponents of online gambling on the defensive, while forcing more public debate on key issues surrounding online gambling like cheating, underage gambling and addiction.
Thought the title of the article was a bit of an overstatement, but that the closing paragraph was pretty much on point.

Since Adelson's chosen to make public policy arguments in his attempt to thwart the legalization of online poker, it'd be interesting to see counterarguments made in rebuttal. Was trying to think of if there's any downside to there being more of policy debate ... not sure there are any?
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06-07-2014 , 05:51 PM
It is completely standard business practice to pay the government to use violence to put your competitors out of business.
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06-07-2014 , 07:04 PM
The number of people who actually believe this is a moral crusade astounds me.

Lets not forget they held an NAPT event at the venetian and currently offer online gaming INSIDE the venetian. I'm sure Sheldon personally stands over their shoulders to make sure their son/daughter isn't using their phone/tablet though.
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06-07-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
That's what I was wondering. It seems a bit of a stretch to think that a billionaire CEO of a company with a bunch of properties around the world would somehow be aware that pokernews is covering the Venetian tourney and their website has some links to online poker.
I doubt it's him personally who's aware of PokerNews. He is spending a ton of money to derail online gaming and online poker, and must have a staff of some size dedicated to the effort.

I'm saddened that I can no longer feel comfortable patronizing the Venetian or other Sands properties.
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06-08-2014 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dantes
It is completely standard business practice to pay the government to use violence to put your competitors out of business.
In America, yes
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06-08-2014 , 06:57 AM
Does Venetian have Card Player Mag in its room ?
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06-08-2014 , 01:19 PM
Venetian Confirms Adelson's Anti-Online Gambling Stance Caused PokerNews Ban -

(Link wont copy but Venetian statement now on pokernews)
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06-08-2014 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
The number of people who actually believe this is a moral crusade astounds me.
No one with any intelligence does. I'd say like 90% of people would understand hes just a greedy old ratface.
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06-08-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Venetian Confirms Adelson's Anti-Online Gambling Stance Caused PokerNews Ban -

(Link wont copy but Venetian statement now on pokernews)

"Given our Chairman's clear position on the matter of online gaming, the Venetian/Palazzo made a business decision to not allow an online blog during the Mid-States Poker Tour event," Kathy Raymond, executive director of poker operations at The Venetian, told PokerNews in a statement.


Yet, they distribute Card Player Magazine, a publication that not only supports online gaming, but accepts advertising money from offshore online sites.

What's with the hypocrisy ?
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06-08-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest

"Given our Chairman's clear position on the matter of online gaming, the Venetian/Palazzo made a business decision to not allow an online blog during the Mid-States Poker Tour event," Kathy Raymond, executive director of poker operations at The Venetian, told PokerNews in a statement.


Yet, they distribute Card Player Magazine, a publication that not only supports online gaming, but accepts advertising money from offshore online sites.
There is a cantor sportsbook 100 feet from the poker room.

They offer online gaming.
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06-08-2014 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
Thousands of people make asinine comments every day on internet forums, but Mason, unlike Adelson, has the good sense not to remove your posts.
That's funny because 2+2 is one of the most censored places on the internet.
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06-08-2014 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish Taco
That's funny because 2+2 is one of the most censored places on the internet.
Naa pprune.org would have all the bracelets. The MH370 thread is over 11,000 remaining posts, there has to be that many deleted posts as well.. So over-moderated that 100's of posts will be deleted and then a week later the subject of the posts is now the hot topic.

Poker News needs to hold MSPT to the fire on this. Banning a title sponsor from the property over political views should not be allowed. They need to dump the V for next year and go with someone else
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06-10-2014 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
"Given our Chairman's clear position on the matter of online gaming, the Venetian/Palazzo made a business decision to not allow an online blog during the Mid-States Poker Tour event," Kathy Raymond, executive director of poker operations at The Venetian, told PokerNews in a statement.
This definitely did not get enough attention and deserves a bump. That's totally ridiculous.

How is it a "business" decision?

I mean, I looked up the definition of "business decision" and couldn't find much out there, but this Yahoo! Answers response seems pretty much spot on:

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... it is a decision that is driven by business considerations -- long-term profitability, good marketing, employee effectiveness, etc. -- and not by emotion, guessing without evidence, spite, revenge, personal relationship, etc.
OK. Again, how is this anything like a business decision?

Regardless of anyone's stance on anything, thwarting a legitimate journalism organization from reporting on the game of poker in whatever medium it exists - in this case, LIVE poker - seems, at best, incredibly petty. Silly, really. It's certainly doesn't resemble a "business decision."

Further, in the statement, it almost sounds like the The Venetian is trying to draw a parallel between "online poker" and an "online blog." It's a truly bizarre sentence.
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06-10-2014 , 02:44 AM
^ I mean, regarding the syntax of the casino's statement, and specifically the parallel use of the adjective "online" to modify both "gaming" and "blog," it sounds like they are blocking PokerNews because PokerNews is a Company in the poker industry that exists online. And any combination of the words "online" and "poker" require swift action, including banishment.

I'm not even sure Sheldon Adelson knows what the Internet is - after all, he reportedly does not use a computer.

I can just picture someone telling him that PokerNews.com wants to report live action, and him saying "no" because he heard the word "poker" and ".com" in the same sentence.

I'm just super confused about the whole thing.
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06-10-2014 , 01:29 PM
I'm doing a snail mail to my representative, Emanuel Cleaver, due to his never answering my electronic correspondence. Along with a copy of a recent Bluff article pointing out Adelson's hypocrisy, I'm going to point out that legislation affecting the internet is being pushed by someone who doesn't use the internet and doesn't even use a computer.
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06-10-2014 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
There is a cantor sportsbook 100 feet from the poker room.

They offer online gaming.


It's hard to be surprised by anything Adelson says or does these days.
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06-10-2014 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
There is a cantor sportsbook 100 feet from the poker room.

They offer online gaming.
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy


It's hard to be surprised by anything Adelson says or does these days.
People need to understand that Cantor not only has a mobile gaming platform for those within the confines of the Venetian, they have one for anyone in Nevada AND they advertise it on the Venetian website.

Last edited by Doc T River; 06-10-2014 at 02:59 PM. Reason: Maybe Adelson thinks mobile and online aren't the same thing.
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06-10-2014 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
The wife and I got engaged on the gondola ride at Venetian. When word broke that Adelson was campaigning against online poker, I told her we wouldn't be setting foot back inside there. She agreed.
You've got a wife? Congrats!

Last edited by Lovesantiques; 06-10-2014 at 03:32 PM. Reason: Who's wife did you get?? :wondering even though it's none of my business:
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