no money in Keno, everyone is cheating

send me one please

You don't get it, do you? it's NOT about scamming for less than 10k, it's about competing for the top spot.They want us to keep putting money into the sites, keep playing the perfect 3s to compete for the top spot, which is impossible.Because for the past week, I've been adding up players from the perfect 3's tournies and it only adds up to about 2100 to about 2500 per day, but never adds up to 3000 players.

If you don't believe me then add up all the players from today's (10)perfect 3's tournaments and see if it adds up to 3000.As a matter of fact, add up tomorrow's and see if it adds up to 3000 players, and add up the day after that, and so on and see if it adds up to 3000 players.For him to get 3070 points, there has to be 300+ players per tournaments and he had to make the final table 10 times consecutively back to back.Bottom line, there never were 3000 players in a block, period.

Also, the guy barely play on the site.Looks to me like an employee with multiple account and Aruba_Rob is one of them.

This

I know nothing about this promotion or how it works, but you're talking about a company that once pocketed the money given to them at a charity booth during the WSOP. They would unquestionably run a scam for less than 10k if they didn't think they would be caught.

I looked at his sharkscope results and at first I thought there was no way it was legit, but the math prolly works out for his first ten.

wow. i think this deserves its own thread

Rigged maybe the wrong term. They have proven over and over again that they are incompetent at best when implementing new things.

When they implemented Multi-table blackjack they didn't use real time randomization either. They had a few hundred pre-generated decks and they just re-used them. It didn't take long for a few people to start exploiting it and AP eventually caught on and 'fixed' it. Their fix at the time was to create a few million preset decks.

Incompetence could explain what you are seeing in Keno as well.

lol some of these stories are just beyond absurd

my money has been removed from your site, clowns

Really? Where did you learn about this?

1-67/352=286
2-17/343=327
3-118/376=259
4-107/361=255
5-20/349=330
6-67/342=276
7-6/327=322
8-13/362=Bout 350
9-37/338=302
10-14/393=380
=3087

Might have skipped 1 tourney or something IDK but those are his first 10 scores for the month of oct.

Also, you're doing it wrong. They don't have to be played on the same day, so counting # of entrants every day is useless.

quick cliffs:
1) read op and first 2 or 3 responses
2) skip most of page one; it talks about: rigged vrs -ev, past ub scams/allegations
4) decided its randomized but not completely random for a few reasons (hasnt been a good post about this yet in words)
3) someone links something about an ownership issue in reguards to "old scams" and who owes what for ownership payment....(still develop)
5)some guy alleges perfect 3 is a scam, not a scam, yadda yadda
6)back on track

faq
no -u cant manipulate if for your own good yet. if anything the "error" simply reduces variance at this time...?
no - ap/ub has not resonded yet
yes - ppl are aware that other ppl dont think ppl shouldnt "play" at ub/ap


please FYP my post if needed

thing is bec. they are shady 2 +2 ers stay away so the games are really good so as long as ur expected earn even with the chance of being cheated is higher than it would be on stars/ftp, it makes sense to play there bec. we're supposed to make +ev decisions as poker players and all the holy than thou Cereus bashers seem to overlook this, and no I am not a UB shill, I do enjoy the effective 55-60% RB though

Thread grunching up to this point. You want the casinomeister forums.

edit: sorry already posted. I would also contact Wizard Of Odds guy and ask him to look in to this. Checking stuff like this out is his forte.

So you're saying those 10 tournaments he played are not on the same day? I thought the rules says you have to play 10 a day.I didn't know you can play 1 today and another one tomorrow and still qualify for the monthly.I hope you're right.If you're right then AP lied to me, they told me I have to play 10 a day to qualify for the monthly.OMG if I knew this, it could have saved me a lot of money.I should have just waited and only play the tournaments with a lot of players.

OMG so the Perfect Play promotion is not rigged after all? OOPS my bad, then I apologize to Aruba_Rob and to Absolute Poker.Sorry for dragging your names into this.I was just frustrated and misinformed, that's all.Please forgive me and accept my apology.

I'm done, peace out!

I don't think you need to apologize to AP for anything.

This stuff is just unreal, it never ends.

thing is stars has taken 10x what cereus has taken by not giving low stakes players rakeback. but the 2+2 powers that be suck on the pokerstars teet so my post will be scorned... but good rakeback and a little bit of cheating>>> ****ty rakeback and no cheating

yea except FPPs and all the benefits of supernova or SNE on stars are probably better than most rakeback deals.

30% Rakeback plus the AP VIP System where you can use your frequent player points for cash or to buy into MTTs plus AP has frequent reload bonuses, unless you are a supernova elite, Cereus has better rewards, and if you are a low volume player its not even close I would say on AP the effective RB is 45% for low volume players-60% for high volume players, while on Stars its 15% for low volume players to maybe 65% for high volume players, and given that the vast majority of players on stars don't make supernova elite, they would be much better off on AP from a RB perspective

Will you ******s please stop?

This thread isn't about what site you'd rather play on or who gives better bonuses. It's about the fact that AP spread a game that was supposed to be random but wasn't

However, I should point out that you get even more rakeback on Cereus compared to Stars than your calculations suggest because AP charges higher rake than Stars in almost all cash games (like 80% sure that that doesn't include BBJ rake, 1/9 of which goes to the house eventually). So if your goal is to get the most rakeback, the fact that on AP you get to pay like 1.3x-2x the rake in cash games means you can get even more rakeback. Hell.. if you're getting 60% rakeback equivalent on AP and you play NL100 where you get to pay about 1.85x the rake on AP compared to Stars, the rakeback you get on AP would be 111% of the rake on Stars!! I doubt Stars could compete with that.

So, I dunno. Maybe make another thread about how awesome AP's rakeback and bonuses are so that people know. It's good to spread info like that. This thread is about how incompetent they are and how blatant it is that they don't care about spreading fair games. I think it's good to spread info like that too.

Please no more rakeback posts.

well putting RB aside since all the 2+2ers boycott the site because its run by shady thieves, the games are super soft and a semi decent player has a much higher win rate than stars or ftp... kind of like a reverse tragedy of the commons.. but this is clearly not the thread to argue this point..... and I obviously do not dispute that Cereus is a bunch of crooks, just that their blatant thievery creates a +EV spot to play on their site... provided you do not play too high... but I shall post no more in this thread

I read most of this, looked at the video and played play money for a bit.

Noah 2 things I am thinking.

You seemd disappointed when the 6 came up as it didn't allow the 10 to hit (ie: only 4 away). But isn't that the ultimate (not a pun) point. Is that not where the player will lose? It seems to me players will lose on a consistent and symetric basis whenever a 6 hits first and sometimes when the 5 hits first. So in a way hitting that 6 in the video makes the video even more relevant as it actually represents the pattern in full circle showing how players will consistently lose.

So it certainly is completely rigged and basically cheating eventhough the house edge may be smaller than the actual statistical edge as the edge is defined and certain. Therefore a player could not even have a hope of getting lucky which is basically the premise of keno as it is simply a lottery.