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2019 WSOP POY Error. Not DNEGS! Robert Campbell Wins (Poll added)

View Poll Results: Do you think Daniel Negreanu was previously aware of the points error? (Public)

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11-08-2019 , 04:49 PM

#51

Jay Why

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Alas poor Daniel, slowrolled by the POY points calculator!

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11-08-2019 , 04:57 PM

#52

freedom 35

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

You really are desperate, aren’t you.

I'm not sure I'd go as far to call it desperate. Maybe not DN but even Deeb or any of the guys at top of the leader board missing it along the way. Maybe if they had bet big on POY it would have been more scrutinized.

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11-08-2019 , 04:58 PM

#53

iskander

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Originally Posted by Lemon93PCTSure

this begs the question
how on earth did you find out about this?

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There are inaccuracies in the rating on wsop.com, respectively, and on our page at the moment the results are not true.

The most problematic was the tournament #68. In the protocol on the official website, places from 32nd to 47th are taken from tournament #87 (HORSE for $ 3,000). Extra points were received by Ismael Bojang, Daniel Negreanu and Brandon Shack-Harris, and Ben Yu, on the contrary, lost legal points for this tournament. Real results can be found on Hendonmob

It was back in July, back then I thought it just temporary error and they will fix it for sure next day or something and completely forgot about it.

And today I just remembered this story and checked if it was fixed. It wasn't.

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11-08-2019 , 05:09 PM

#54

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11-08-2019 , 05:12 PM

#55

TheFly

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He's being really cool about it FWIW, look forward to the blog post.

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11-08-2019 , 05:16 PM

#56

jal300

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Originally Posted by iskander

It's actually pretty funny. As mentioned at P5 article i'm a poker journalist from Russian site GipsyTeam and was in Vegas all WSOP.

During summer we had a fantasy freeroll based on POY numbers.

After WSOP ends i wrote final an article about it (it's in Russian).

I'm lazy so i'll just google translate an important part from it:

It was back in July, back then I thought it just temporary error and they will fix it for sure next day or something and completely forgot about it.

And today I just remembered this story and checked if it was fixed. It wasn't.

Great find and well done!

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11-08-2019 , 05:28 PM

#57

Jay Why

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Originally Posted by TheFly

He's being really cool about it FWIW, look forward to the blog post.

I will share my thoughts on the WSOP POY situation in a written blog later today.

Genuinely happy for @SonicJaxx2019 because I know what it meant to him and frankly, the entire country of Australia!

Yes, Negreanu is right, frankly, the entire country of Australia was watching with bated breath to see if Daniel Negreanu would win the WSOP POY title.

Thank goodness he is not a little delusional pompous fool!

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11-08-2019 , 05:35 PM

#58

Videopro

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Russian meddling!!

2019 WSOP POY Error. Not DNEGS! Robert Campbell Wins (Poll added)

Nice find and thanks for bringing it out.

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11-08-2019 , 05:40 PM

#59

domgio7

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

You really are desperate, aren’t you.

Desperate for what? I just thought Daniel would keep track of how many events he cashed. I guess he just trusted the wsop records better than his own records and memory.

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11-08-2019 , 05:48 PM

#60

PerpetualCzech

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Originally Posted by iskander

It's actually pretty funny. As mentioned at P5 article i'm a poker journalist from Russian site GipsyTeam and was in Vegas all WSOP.

During summer we had a fantasy freeroll based on POY numbers.

After WSOP ends i wrote final article about it (it's in Russian).

I'm lazy so i'll just google translate an important part from it:

It was back in July, back then I thought it just temporary error and they will fix it for sure next day or something and completely forgot about it.

And today I just remembered this story and checked if it was fixed. It wasn't.

So hang on a sec. This article was written on July 20th. Event #87 ended on July 16th. That means at some point during those 4 days results from Event #87 were somehow copied and pasted on to Event #68. (How does a "mistake" like this even happen??)

POY was a stated goal of DN's right from the start and by this time the race was as heated as ever. He would have been meticulously keeping track of his point total on a daily basis. How the hell is it possible that he would not have noticed the spike he got to his point total?

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11-08-2019 , 06:06 PM

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NickMPK

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Originally Posted by PerpetualCzech

Presumably, the incorrect points from Event 68 were added at the same time as the correct points from Event 87. Daniel may have seen his point total spike and just assumed it was all from Event 87. Also, in many cases you will bust out of an event, and your point total will not be updated until a few days later, after the event has ended. When you are playing 3 tournaments every day, it's not always obvious exactly what tournament it is from.

The mistake was up for months and affected the scores of dozens of people, both positively and negatively. And yet apparently OP was the only one to notice.

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11-08-2019 , 06:08 PM

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jal300

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Originally Posted by PerpetualCzech

It may be shocking; but I suspect input errors happen all the time. True story: I was once paying some bills online, paid my Visa bill, grabbed my Amex bill and paid that amount to my Visa account. And clearly DNegs doesn't keep as meticulous records as you assume

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11-08-2019 , 06:15 PM

#63

OFA

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Originally Posted by iskander

surely he knew he didnt cash in that when he posted this on his vlog? hmmmm

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11-08-2019 , 06:20 PM

#64

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There's something rotten in the State of....

What are the chances dNegs at least had some suspicion that something was off even before the exposure?

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11-08-2019 , 06:27 PM

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Chazley

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Vlog is pretty easily explained as it was his editors putting the results in there and likely grabbing them from the tracking site rather than getting them directly from Daniel or manually tracking them themselves.

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11-08-2019 , 06:27 PM

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qsdaddy

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Originally Posted by Registered 2018

There's something rotten in the State of....

What are the chances dNegs at least had some suspicion that something was off even before the exposure?

Interesting question, did his low package investors get paid out on that erroneous cash?

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11-08-2019 , 06:31 PM

#67

vinivici9586

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Daniel gets his POTY title reneged. You hate to see it

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11-08-2019 , 06:36 PM

#68

ChicagoJoey

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Here we go lol

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11-08-2019 , 06:45 PM

#69

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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

Here we go lol

Calls for some investigation...with Shaun Deeb, ideally.

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11-08-2019 , 07:07 PM

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PerpetualCzech

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Originally Posted by qsdaddy

Interesting question, did his low package investors get paid out on that erroneous cash?

Here is the vlog with the list of cashes:

https://youtu.be/wNO1TIqehUA?t=1676

The tournament he didn't cash in is included. But here's the thing: the vlog ends up with a bunch of stats from the WSOP and two of the stats are Buy Ins ($1,113,010) and Profits ($1,077,492).

In order to get those stats, you need to go through every tournament one by one and figure out how many bullets you fired. When it came to that tournament 1) how many bullets did he use for his stats? and 2) while trying to figure out this number, how could he possibly not notice he never cashed in the tournament?

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11-08-2019 , 07:12 PM

#71

pocket_zeros

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Christmas came early this year. Listening to Daniel's smug smackdown of Deeb's final table play for the Colossus on the latest DatPoker podcast makes this all the more sweet.

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11-08-2019 , 07:23 PM

#72

PerpetualCzech

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Originally Posted by Chazley

The vlog ends up with stats on Total Buy Ins and Profits. In order to do that you need to examine each tournament and figure out how many bullets you fired. What exactly happened when it came to examine Event #67?

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11-08-2019 , 07:24 PM

#73

pocket_zeros

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It's official:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...eanu-35896.htm

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11-08-2019 , 07:25 PM

#74

iskander

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Originally Posted by PerpetualCzech

Daniel had all his stats online.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=985710000

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11-08-2019 , 07:31 PM

#75

jal300

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Originally Posted by PerpetualCzech

Well, it was Event #68 that caused the issue. See how easy input errors are

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