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07-14-2015 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitchka'sDad
Ahh, the "It's true because I said so" argument. Not sure why anyone would bother to argue with such unimpeachable logic.
Ya you're right, you dont have to win innumerable flips, 70/30s and so on to win a tournament. Tournament advocates are so dumb and likely so outspoken because the only form of the game they stand a chance in requires the least skill.
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07-14-2015 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by j20s
The point is you *can't* win a tournament without tremendous amount of luck, so lol at anything who thinks otherwise.
The luck is winning your flips.
The skill is having more chips when you flip.

Hellmuth 101
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07-14-2015 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by legend42
Nobody talking about that Neuville check back with the straight?
Neuville obviously has a very good tell on Steinberg, which could be very dangerous for Max. He already lost about 2 million chips from that check back. Neuville also checked back correctly the last time they played a hand.
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07-14-2015 , 11:39 PM
Gg munk.

Let's stop tarding this thread. Joe is a great MTT player on a great heater. Good to see a fellow 2p2r living the sweet poker life. Is he going to be a favorite in HSNL cash live or online? Probably not. Good thing he is register for Mtts and not wait listing the high stakes cash games.
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07-14-2015 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
In tournaments it's luck. In cash it's called variance.
lol this guyyyyy
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07-14-2015 , 11:40 PM
I thought hand 121 was the hand that Negreanu should have called the river bet. 22349 board could easily have been missed diamonds or a pair of 4s.
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07-14-2015 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by j20s
Ya you're right, you dont have to win innumerable flips, 70/30s and so on to win a tournament. Tournament advocates are so dumb and likely so outspoken because the only form of the game they stand a chance in requires the least skill.
so every single cash session that somebody plays is 100% skill? if you run good in a cash session and win, it was pure skill, but if you run good for one or a few days in an MTT, its all luck? is this your logic?
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07-14-2015 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jackpotslayer
Bwahaha, very funny, with time constraint, i see him eating McDonald.
A vegan like Daniel would then have to change due to the Brownsbuck in his underwear.
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07-14-2015 , 11:42 PM
Can people stop quoting J20? It defeats the purpose of my ignore list.
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07-14-2015 , 11:42 PM
Stop feeding the troll. He is complaining about tournaments in the 2015 WSOP Main Event Thread. Figure it out.
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07-14-2015 , 11:43 PM
Hah!

Lon McEachern ‏@lonmceachern · 5m5 minutes ago
My job just got really easy. All I'll need to do is read @Balsbaugh Tweets during our upcoming @ESPN shows. #DoneAndDone
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07-14-2015 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SootedPowa
Hahaha what is this from? That's hilarious
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07-14-2015 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by you_wot_m8
so every single cash session that somebody plays is 100% skill? if you run good in a cash session and win, it was pure skill, but if you run good for one or a few days in an MTT, its all luck? is this your logic?
You're a moron. Under 100bb play (usual mtts) leaves way less room for skill to ascertain itself. Beyond that, anyone who runs bad in cash rebuys and keeps going. In a tournament you are out and that's it. You have no grasp on the game at all.
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07-14-2015 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by graven29
I thought hand 121 was the hand that Negreanu should have called the river bet. 22349 board could easily have been missed diamonds or a pair of 4s.
What do you think DN had?
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07-14-2015 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ridaren
haven't seen anyone complaining about the twitter reports (that are exactly that) so i wonder why you'd think that
Earlier in the thread, someone pointed out that Balsbaugh is only following Negreanu and no one else. It wasn't a complaint, but rather an explanation of the difference between his coverage and the official WSOP.com coverage. However, that is a statement that illustrates how some of what shows up on Twitter is incomplete.

But fair point, I must have been projecting.

So let me rephrase: I complained all the time about the Card Player live reporting because of the lack of detail. We wouldn't know the stack sizes, or the action would pick up late in the hand, or we might not even know the betting amounts. Sometimes we wouldn't know the names of a player in the hand, only seeing things like "Matusow flipped in a 12,000 raise. His opponent tanked briefly, then pitched his cards."

Here's an example hand report from the 2007 $5K six-max:

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Luong Full Of Heart


With a flop of K Q 6, Phil Galfond led out and Gioi Luong pushed all-in. Galfond quickly called with the K Q for top two, and Luong showed the A 8 for the nut flush draw. The turn brought the 10, completing Luong's flush and leaving Galfond looking for a king or queen on the river. The 10 on the river improved neither hand, and Luong doubled up.
This report came down with about 20 players left. Absolutely no mention of the blinds (at least, not back then) nor what Luong doubled to.

All this said...

I agree with you: people like Remko are reporting hands very completely, at least, certainly to our satisfaction. e.g. here's the WSOP.com update on Hand 45:

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Hand #45

Neil Blumenfield raises to 625,000 from under the gun and both Pierre Neuville and Zvi Stern call from middle position and the hijack respectively.

The flop falls K99 and both Stern and Blumenfield check to Neuville who bets 775,000 and both Stern and Blumenfield fold.
On Twitter, that could get reported as "#45: Blumenfeld raises to 625 UTG. Neuville (MP) and Stern (HJ) call. Flop Kh9c9s. Check to Neuville, bet 775K, two folds" in a fraction of the time and under the 140-character limit. Yet it still has all the pertinent info that the serious poker fan (i.e. the type who would follow via Twitter) would want.

Instead, the official hand reporting takes much time and effort trying to verbalize the action. Phrases like "quickly makes the call" or "slides out three stacks of yellow chips for a 60K raise" might help paint a picture, but it slows down the coverage. Sure, include that stuff later on the live reporting page. But keep the real-time hand updates brief.

But hand-by-hand could just be done via Twitter, supporting the Live Updates page, as I described in my previous posts.
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07-14-2015 , 11:46 PM
Ppffffff 1100 posts since yesterday.
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07-14-2015 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ICallHimGamblor
I know Vanessa Selbst says it is misogynistic and sexist to judge poker players based on the way they look, but holy crap it would have been a catastrophe if Stelthmonk had made the final table.
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07-14-2015 , 11:47 PM
If Daniel folded when he finds himself talking about his opponents river bet, he would win them all.

He talks himself into calling way too much.
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07-14-2015 , 11:48 PM
Actually, at the time I thought - doesn't matter what he has, he should shove. But that isn't his style. He wouldn't do something like that, so if he had a pair of 4s beat, I think he should call. That is what I was trying to say.
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07-14-2015 , 11:49 PM
#the hype
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07-14-2015 , 11:49 PM
Here's a great article about Pierre Neuville. Dude's definitely got an interesting life and he seems real cool and a damn solid poker player.

- “I started to play poker in 1957,” said Neuville. “At that time I didn’t get tired – sometimes I played 20 hours a day. During six years at university in Brussels, poker players were coming from all over the world.”

- The games got serious during Neuville’s time at the Université libre de Bruxelles, which he attended starting in 1963.

- In 1969 he created a game and toy company, and by 1982 he’d sold that company to Hasbro, where he eventually rose to a role of vice chairman of the company in Europe.
- “When I took responsibilities, I was the signer for big amounts and I was the president in a few countries,” said Neuville. “They said I could take not one step in a casino.”

- Neuville continued along his lucrative career path, but after several decades of hard work in the games industry he retired in 2008 – which allowed him to return his attention to one of his earliest loves.
- Neuville was fearless, though, and jumped right in the deep end by playing the 2008 PokerStars Caribbean Adventure Main Event. “I met my wife 28 years ago, and for 20 years she never saw me with a card in my hand,” said Neuville. “The first time [after I retired] that we went on holiday, I said ‘let’s go to the Bahamas’, back in 2008. I told her, ‘I just retired – I’m going to play this tournament’. She told me, ‘But you can’t play, those are real poker players – you don’t know that game’
- “I was happy enough, I ended in 18th,” said Neuville. “It started my bankroll, and my bankroll’s never disappeared since then.”

- He once satellited into 23 consecutive EPT Main Events – a record that’s not likely to be matched any time soon.

- “When I arrive at my table, I have more than anybody, probably, all notes in my pocket,” said Neuville. “I have the history of each player at the table, all his results. I know all their first names – sometimes they are astonished because I call them all by their first names. I think it’s been very helpful to know who is a pro, who is aggressive, who’s in this tournament for the first time.”

Dude's a m'fkng badass!
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07-14-2015 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
AlexanderT on Stars


Can't I just go periscope the feature table?? Not sure how exciting that would actually be tho
Fedor and him are actually from the same city, would've been kinda fun if they both Finaltabled.
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07-14-2015 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by graven29
Actually, at the time I thought - doesn't matter what he has, he should shove. But that isn't his style. He wouldn't do something like that, so if he had a pair of 4s beat, I think he should call. That is what I was trying to say.
But DN is the much more likely one to have missed diamonds.
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07-14-2015 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by abracadabrab
Here's a great article about Pierre Neuville. Dude's definitely got an interesting life and he seems real cool and a damn solid poker player.

- “I started to play poker in 1957,” said Neuville. “At that time I didn’t get tired – sometimes I played 20 hours a day. During six years at university in Brussels, poker players were coming from all over the world.”

- The games got serious during Neuville’s time at the Université libre de Bruxelles, which he attended starting in 1963.

- In 1969 he created a game and toy company, and by 1982 he’d sold that company to Hasbro, where he eventually rose to a role of vice chairman of the company in Europe.
- “When I took responsibilities, I was the signer for big amounts and I was the president in a few countries,” said Neuville. “They said I could take not one step in a casino.”

- Neuville continued along his lucrative career path, but after several decades of hard work in the games industry he retired in 2008 – which allowed him to return his attention to one of his earliest loves.
- Neuville was fearless, though, and jumped right in the deep end by playing the 2008 PokerStars Caribbean Adventure Main Event. “I met my wife 28 years ago, and for 20 years she never saw me with a card in my hand,” said Neuville. “The first time [after I retired] that we went on holiday, I said ‘let’s go to the Bahamas’, back in 2008. I told her, ‘I just retired – I’m going to play this tournament’. She told me, ‘But you can’t play, those are real poker players – you don’t know that game’
- “I was happy enough, I ended in 18th,” said Neuville. “It started my bankroll, and my bankroll’s never disappeared since then.”

- He once satellited into 23 consecutive EPT Main Events – a record that’s not likely to be matched any time soon.

- “When I arrive at my table, I have more than anybody, probably, all notes in my pocket,” said Neuville. “I have the history of each player at the table, all his results. I know all their first names – sometimes they are astonished because I call them all by their first names. I think it’s been very helpful to know who is a pro, who is aggressive, who’s in this tournament for the first time.”

Dude's a m'fkng badass!
Definitely rooting for this guy, thanks for this great post. Bad ass indeed!
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07-14-2015 , 11:56 PM
Max Steinberg is still in it.
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