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11-10-2015 , 09:54 AM
yeah no looking forward to joe being the world champ. but whatever.
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11-10-2015 , 09:54 AM
Doesn't look like Stern had some crisis of conscience before last night. Looks like he was stalling on Sunday because there were 3 short stacks to start the day. He wanted to get to the higher blinds "faster" and play as few hands as possible where McKeehen could run over the medium stacks. Last night he was 4th out of 5, closer to being one of the short stacks himself, so he'd rather get more hands in.

Antonio is good at always suggesting the straightforward play vs the opponent's actual hand.
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11-10-2015 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen of No
Perhaps the "poker ambassador" shouldn't automatically be the winner -- perhaps the ambassador should be chosen from among the final table based upon criteria to include actually having an enjoyable personality with some charisma.
This kind of happenned with Dennis Phillips, who came 3rd but got tons of TV time in the next couple of years.
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11-10-2015 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mikechike
Doesn't look like Stern had some crisis of conscience before last night. Looks like he was stalling on Sunday because there were 3 short stacks to start the day. He wanted to get to the higher blinds "faster" .
There's no way the final table is played with timed blinds. Surely it's being done by number of hands, right?
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11-10-2015 , 10:22 AM
It's timed blinds. 2 hours per level I believe.
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11-10-2015 , 10:58 AM
How is steinberg not getting crushed right now? i thought he played the worst other than neuville
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11-10-2015 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JCHAK
Neil going to win this thing. He is a beast. And a very nice guy.
Huh? Did you not see his poor post flop play w A5o vs Mckeehan's JTss? How do you not C-bet that flop after 3betting pre? He gave up control of the hand w check, check fold. Poor post flop player that needs big hands to feel confident enough to c-bet the flop or he needs an all in and a call to avoid post flop play.
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11-10-2015 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen of No
I was sad to see Steinberg go -- I think he showed skill, panache, and personality.
no he didnt show skill
maybe he showed skill in dressing properly but he just played terrible and weak
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11-10-2015 , 11:52 AM
There is such a big money jump from spot to spot at the final table, it's no wonder everyone plays so nitty. It's the nature of this particular tournament. It's the reason why it would be amazing to have a couple established pros make the table that are more concerned about the hardware than the money, because THEN some real pressure would be applied to the chip leader.

But as things stand, buttered toast is just coasting. He was always guaranteed top three and is nearly guaranteed heads up. Now, an early double up through him by Blumenfield could make things really interesting.. but at this point that'll require a bad beat or a major cooler.

On another note, I'm interested in posters here that say things like Blumenfield is "awful". I don't get it...he's one of the only players actually bluffing and four betting a couple times. He made at least one excellent fold, as well. He has some skills and quite frankly EARNED his way to the final three. It's not as if he's been card catching like buttered toast. Buttered toast has been playing very well and like I said.. coasting his way to heads up.. but besides him, no one played this final table better than Blumenfield. We always talk about 'good for the growth of the game' around here, and he clearly is. I'm hoping he can at least put a scare into buttered toast.

I have a feeling unless coolers happen, this final three will last a lot longer than last night. Should be interesting.
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11-10-2015 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by brownsbuck
On another note, I'm interested in posters here that say things like Blumenfield is "awful". I don't get it...
3Betting A5o vs Joe and not cbetting on a K high board with a gutshot and bdfd is just awful.
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11-10-2015 , 12:04 PM
The Limon/stealthmunk simulcast would have been GTO if that tattooed bitch hadn't almost stuck a naxalone shot into munk's daydream.
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11-10-2015 , 12:12 PM
This McKeehan dude's a clown. Bro, your on national TV and your about to be a millionaire. The least you could do is make yourself at least minimally presentable. Maybe shave your face or run a comb through your hair too. Gonna be sad to see a slob like this ship the main.
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11-10-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pkratitsbest
Mckeehan 4bets/f A8o vs Blumenfield CO vs SB (40bbs deep around).
It was his second 4b in the FT.
Ah, right, missed that one. Looks like McKeehan was three-bet eight other times in non-all-in situations, with five folds and three calls, so he wasn't four-betting light.
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11-10-2015 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dontstakeminors
If by 95% u mean 99.9 I agree
It would be hard for 99.9% of us to bust there when you are only going to bust ~80% of the time there. So the max % that could bust would be ~80%.


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Actually only around 80% of us would have busted there.
Bah, you beat me to it.
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11-10-2015 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Maradona10
3Betting A5o vs Joe and not cbetting on a K high board with a gutshot and bdfd is just awful.

Not cbetting that flop is fine as he obviously knew he could not take the pressure of a reraise bluff from the big stack, but not betting that turn with the gutshot after the checked flop was bad. As noted, he is an amateur so what can you expect.

It would, however, be best for growth of the game if he won over the other two (and over one other in particular). Anyone that does not see that is a moron.
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11-10-2015 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Maradona10
3Betting A5o vs Joe and not cbetting on a K high board with a gutshot and bdfd is just awful.
This is basically what I was saying a few post ago. I don't mean to say that he is flat out horrible but... no post flop play ability is def a glaring weakness. Especially if you are playing big stack poker w 40-50+ BB.
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11-10-2015 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Maradona10
3Betting A5o vs Joe and not cbetting on a K high board with a gutshot and bdfd is just awful.
lol so in your mind he didn't play perfectly.. so, do you feel that warrants calling the guy an 'awful' player? Jealous much?
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11-10-2015 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by brownsbuck
lol so in your mind he didn't play perfectly.. so, do you feel that warrants calling the guy an 'awful' player? Jealous much?
I didn't say he's an awful player, but that play was awful.
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11-10-2015 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by slothmancometh
I've been reading all the hate for McKeehan hate and now that I've finally tuned in, I don't really get it. Seems like a nice guy who likes to needle and obviously is feeling confident. Besides not dressing up or trying to look good, I think he is coming off well. He just seems like a typical good 2/5 grinder with a decent sense of humor.
He seems really awkward to me.
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11-10-2015 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Maradona10
I didn't say he's an awful player, but that play was awful.
Well, you responded to a post where I was challenging people that called him an awful player. I never once said he played perfectly. So your response was easily interpreted as a defense of anyone saying he was an awful player.
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11-10-2015 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lissistinkt
no he didnt show skill
maybe he showed skill in dressing properly but he just played terrible and weak
I was not overly impressed with Steinberg given his track record, but mostly I don't mind that he played "weak." He really was in an awkward ICM spot with agro chip leader on his left, a stack that didn't give him room to play much postflop, but a stack that was still larger than multiple short stacks. So in some ways, he did well to ladder up to 4th.

However, I feel like he plays MTTs like it's 2010 still, and the flaws in that style were present. His 3x opens and larger 3-bets cost him more chips when it didn't work out than smaller sizings that would have worked the same given the general play at the table was to overfold to opens and 3-bets. Also, I really don't get his button fold of AJo versus Blumenfield's BB 3-bet. He's getting over 2 to 1 in position, with ~40 BB (?) effective stacks, against a guy who's not going to double barrel without a strong hand or draw and who has already 3-bet weak aces multiple times at the final table. That was pretty weak in a spot that ICM should not have affected.
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11-10-2015 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FastRoll
This McKeehan dude's a clown. Bro, your on national TV and your about to be a millionaire. The least you could do is make yourself at least minimally presentable. Maybe shave your face or run a comb through your hair too. Gonna be sad to see a slob like this ship the main.
100% agree. This is going to be one of the biggest moments of your life and oversized tshirt with sweat-pants with unkept hair probably isnt the look you want. You dont have to go all Steinberg but a general clean look wouldn't hurt. And it is not about being a poker ambassador or whatever - it is just common sense.
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11-10-2015 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FastRoll
This McKeehan dude's a clown. Bro, your on national TV and your about to be a millionaire. The least you could do is make yourself at least minimally presentable. Maybe shave your face or run a comb through your hair too. Gonna be sad to see a slob like this ship the main.
So much this. It reminds me of Jim Jefferies saying that he "dresses like a bag of **** when he flies business class". It's supposed to be nice so he just looks like a ****ing slob. Giving credence to the neckbeard grinders out there too. Not a good thing.
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11-10-2015 , 02:19 PM
If somebody doesn't want to dress like somebody they're not in order to satisfy the expectations of strangers, I can't hold it too much against them even if it's not what I would do.

Still, it would be amazing if he showed up tonight fully styled and wearing a suit from Max Steinberg's custom shop.
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11-10-2015 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
which one? I'm hoping it is a specific person


I have to tune into your stream tomorrow instead of the tv one, has to be more GTO
brad mcfarland. he was on last night. pretty hilarious dude. another well known pro DMd on twitter with some fun facts about one of the final 3 im trying to get him to call in but hes shy. lol.
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