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2011 WSOP Main Event Final Table thread Nov. 6 and 8 (tl;dr, Spoilers will get you banned!) 2011 WSOP Main Event Final Table thread Nov. 6 and 8 (tl;dr, Spoilers will get you banned!)

11-09-2011 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cmill72
ok thats the stats but stasko got unlucky because his queen and gutshot straight were dominated so he lost 6 outs and against staskos range their he was crushed it was a pure bluff he was very lucky to be a slight favorite
no he was unlucky Stas had a flush draw + gutshot to even be able to make the call. Matter of perspective buddy. His shove was good anyway:

ahead of a flush draw
ahead of all other non made hands
and some equity vs a 1 pair hand.

gotta have guts to play this game, he has em.
11-09-2011 , 04:54 AM




and not a single **** was given in germany that day
11-09-2011 , 04:55 AM
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Last edited by steelhouse; 11-09-2011 at 05:10 AM.
11-09-2011 , 04:55 AM
Grunching, but please tell me someone has a screencap of the bearded dude behind SM as Kara is interviewing both of them at the end.

I think we found Montreal club old bearded dude's long lost brother.
11-09-2011 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Newff
well it's +ev, limping or minraising is better though most of the time. I wasn't paying much attention to it so not sure what the dynamic was.
It was even better because it was his 1st push out of nowhere.
11-09-2011 , 04:57 AM
only way the last hand would be better was if heinz made trip nines
11-09-2011 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pkratitsbest
open shoving for 15bbs+ has become a new trend?
lol
11-09-2011 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by steelhouse
Seemed like 5 of the top 10 were foreigners but it seemed like 1 in 10 that entered were foreigners and if you take out England, like 1 in 25 or so. Seems USA players are donks.
but you can't forget about location. It being in the US brought in more US players, and mostly only top foreigner players would travel the distance to play. If it was in the UK for instance, less recreational US players would go and there would be a higher % of better players for the US. Would also mean higher % of recreational UK players would be playing meaning UK players are donks.

Seems like some people can't think too well outside of the box.
11-09-2011 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kattanib
Staszko is such a disgrace to this game, Poker would win if Heinz ends up winning. Staszko needs to grow some balls and spread some enjoyments around. Ben Lamb and Heinz would gave us a super awesome final table.
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Originally Posted by kattanib
I wanted Staszko out the first day I saw him playing
Got to hope your posts improve!
Seems like your ploughing a lone furrow
11-09-2011 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jamest
what hand number was that q6 hand i keep hearing about?
From the WSOP Update it's hand #288 (of the entire FT I guess). Here's the rundown with the players' holecards added.

Pius Heinz opened to 4 million on the button with T 5, and Martin Staszko defended his big blind with Q 6. The flop came 5 4 J , and Heinz put another 4.5 million chips out there. Staszko check-raised to 10.2 million, though, and Heinz sat studying for about a minute. Then came the hammer -- all in for 54.3 million on a three-bet shove. Staszko has a habit of looking backward over his left shoulder when he's facing a big decision, and he spent some time doing just that before surrendering.

Heinz takes his fifth pot in a row, rebounding back up to 73.1 million.
11-09-2011 , 05:04 AM
hey guys u agree with heinz shove with AQ?i mean this was the only senario that would get it good
11-09-2011 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by zuri1886
no he was unlucky Stas had a flush draw + gutshot to even be able to make the call. Matter of perspective buddy. His shove was good anyway:

ahead of a flush draw
ahead of all other non made hands
and some equity vs a 1 pair hand.

gotta have guts to play this game, he has em.
but stasko isn't calling with non made hands excpect the flush draw+gutshot. so he's ahead of a flush draw only pretty much.

all im saying their is when he shoves with AQ their and gets called he is very rarely is going to be a 54% favorite. he shoved as a bluff not because he thinks hes ahead a lot. I thought he was card dead all night and im glad he won but just saying
11-09-2011 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jobber123rd
From the WSOP Update it's hand #288 (of the entire FT I guess). Here's the rundown with the players' holecards added.

Pius Heinz opened to 4 million on the button with T 5, and Martin Staszko defended his big blind with Q 6. The flop came 5 4 J , and Heinz put another 4.5 million chips out there. Staszko check-raised to 10.2 million, though, and Heinz sat studying for about a minute. Then came the hammer -- all in for 54.3 million on a three-bet shove. Staszko has a habit of looking backward over his left shoulder when he's facing a big decision, and he spent some time doing just that before surrendering.

Heinz takes his fifth pot in a row, rebounding back up to 73.1 million.
he should have so called this than the 9q hand
11-09-2011 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
That was really fun to watch. Some mistakes but overal high quality. Easy to criticise but who knows how we'd play under such massive pressure? Heinz came across really well in the interview and speaks great English. Hopefully he is a good ambassador for the game. Congrats to him.
Heinz will definitely be the better ambassador because he speaks better English and has some charisma. Plus, this will perpetuate the idea that blind aggression is winning poker. Heinz is actually playing a controlled aggression style, but most can't figure it out and they'll spew like MFers trying to mimick him.

Picture if Staszko won. Chess players invade poker tournaments en masse, running numbers and playing nitty, grinding hours on end and never shoving until the math makes perfect sense. We don't want that kind of "Moneymaker effect."
11-09-2011 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisCrocker
but you can't forget about location. It being in the US brought in more US players, and mostly only top foreigner players would travel the distance to play. If it was in the UK for instance, less recreational US players would go and there would be a higher % of better players for the US. Would also mean higher % of recreational UK players would be playing meaning UK players are donks.

Seems like some people can't think too well outside of the box.
I made a mistake 33% of the field were foreigners 2265 players with 486 from Canada. So they did do better than average, but not drastically.
11-09-2011 , 05:18 AM
its a shame heinz got rewarded for his AQ shove, when he knew he was prolly getting called. crazy even if hes up against a draw hes flipping at best, just crazy, live poker is rigged
11-09-2011 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cmill72
but stasko isn't calling with non made hands excpect the flush draw+gutshot. so he's ahead of a flush draw only pretty much.

all im saying their is when he shoves with AQ their and gets called he is very rarely is going to be a 54% favorite. he shoved as a bluff not because he thinks hes ahead a lot. I thought he was card dead all night and im glad he won but just saying
was missunderstanding u then. Sry about that. Thought u implicated that it was a bad shove.
Yea was obv a bluff shove putting Stas on a lot of Fold Equity.
11-09-2011 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark275
its a shame heinz got rewarded for his AQ shove, when he knew he was prolly getting called. crazy even if hes up against a draw hes flipping at best, just crazy, live poker is rigged
1. how could he know he was getting called? He wasn't in 5 hours before.
2. Dunno if u had seen earlier hands, but Pius certainly thought Stas would fold a flush draw since he did that earlier.

It's great that a very good player got rewarded for a very good play. His only option really, since calling is no option and with the dynamic and how often Stas has folded to his raises/all ins plus his chip stack a fold isnt either. So shove there 100% of the time, get a call from a worse hand a win the thing!
11-09-2011 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jobber123rd
Staszko has a habit of looking backward over his left shoulder when he's facing a big decision, and he spent some time doing just that before surrendering.
The reason he looked back was because there was a huge screen with the chip counts of the players. He would look back at it to see how much exactly the opponent had.
11-09-2011 , 05:41 AM
i feel empty now its finished
11-09-2011 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by danimsta
The reason he looked back was because there was a huge screen with the chip counts of the players. He would look back at it to see how much exactly the opponent had.
Yeah, I noticed that. For some reason the person blogging for the WSOP site didn't catch that.
11-09-2011 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by striiing
i feel empty now its finished
+1 time for me to ship it next year. gonna be live updating about HU on 2+2
11-09-2011 , 05:50 AM
Jesus Christ I was avoiding spoilers until I watched it on ESPn, I log onto Stars and it flashes up at the bottom of the screen.
11-09-2011 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLNHDONKWP
I log onto Stars
Found the leak.
11-09-2011 , 06:16 AM
Sad statement, but no ME Winner has come close to filling the traditional ambassador role since Hachem. Hope Heinz can step up - he seems like a good guy.

      
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