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06-23-2010 , 12:03 AM

#51

equalsfour?

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Originally Posted by Kariminal

Tiffany Michelle, no?

Link??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jyav...eature=related

another beauty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Qay92zE-Q

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06-23-2010 , 12:28 AM

#52

gmoola

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Originally Posted by DCJ001

Link: *****

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06-23-2010 , 12:30 AM

#53

pineapple888

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Originally Posted by bulls_horn

I just looked over the TDA and official WSOP Rules. Nowhere does it say players are entitled to a count of their opponent's stack, only that chips must be visible, with high denomination chips in front.

This guy may have had dirty or uneven stacks though, which may be what that's all about.

Yeah, I didn't recall seeing any specific rule either. Is an exact count necessary/appropriate? And "High-denomination" is pretty vague.

Yet another rules area that the WSOP should address specifically in the future. Otherwise, whether or not you think it's a d-bag move, Villain was (possibly) within his rights, and the floor was (potentially) over-reaching (although the floor can always do whatever it wants also, unless explicitly forbidden). If Villain wants to, it sounds like he can keep his stack in whatever messy random state he prefers, as long as the "high-denomination" chips are in front.

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06-23-2010 , 01:01 AM

#54

Asgrow13

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Go ansky!

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06-23-2010 , 01:22 AM

#55

Supine

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More love for Admo please! In the 1,000$. Hopefully he is still remembered around here..

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06-23-2010 , 01:27 AM

#56

chicken10der

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the admo final table doesn't play out until tomorrow

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06-23-2010 , 02:01 AM

#57

sapol

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Originally Posted by chicken10der

blair rodman posts trip reports on here from time to time (or at least he used to a couple of years ago, not sure if he does anymore)

tom marchese is kingsofcards

user name?

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06-23-2010 , 02:23 AM

#58

jonwies

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I've gotta root for ansky

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06-23-2010 , 02:39 AM

#59

chicken10der

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Originally Posted by sapol

user name?

same as his name - 'Blair Rodman'

looks like his last post on here was 2 years ago, though.

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06-23-2010 , 02:40 AM

#60

midwestfisherman

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Down to 10.

Top Chip Counts
1 Valdemar Kwaysser 1,360,000
2 Tom Marchese 1,270,000
3 James Calderaro 1,145,000
4 Peter Jetten 980,000
5 Dani Stern 825,000
6 Matt Marafioti 750,000
7 Konstantin Bucherl 640,000
8 Blair Rodman 545,000
9 Alexander Kuzmin 410,000
10 Sam Stein 340,000

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06-23-2010 , 02:47 AM

#61

fees

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gooo tom

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06-23-2010 , 04:17 AM

#62

FishFishFish

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Go ansky!!

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06-23-2010 , 04:23 AM

#63

Posemuckel

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Jetten and Marchese out!

Konstantin Bucherl aka BongBob FTW

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06-23-2010 , 04:38 AM

#64

ICrushVBJ

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As long as the obnoxious Canadian with the Napoleon Complex doesn't win, I'm happy.

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06-23-2010 , 06:47 AM

#65

vanwilder10

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sick ft

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06-23-2010 , 06:56 AM

#66

chicken10der

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down to heads up, ADZ vs unknown. unknown has 6:1 chip lead

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06-23-2010 , 07:17 AM

#67

chicken10der

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ADZ out in 2nd

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06-23-2010 , 07:44 AM

#68

bulls_horn

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Originally Posted by pineapple888

Anyone know the official rules relevant to this situation?

i.e. can anyone demand a floor count of anyone else's stack at any time? Or is it more complicated than that?

If somebody asks a player for a count, can the player just outright ignore the request? e.g. not say "yes" or "no" and if the floor comes over, so be it?

etc etc

Wow. Wsop has several different rules sets. Here's one that actually sides with the guy:

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http://www.wsop.com/pdfs/2010/2010_W...tion_Rules.pdf
Section IV Procedures

72. Any player is entitled to a clear view of an opponent’s chips. Higher denomination chips must be easily visible. If a player requests an accurate chip count for another player, the dealer is responsible for counting out the chips if the player does not want to count out their own chips.

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06-23-2010 , 08:29 AM

#69

Lee Jones

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Originally Posted by bulls_horn

72. Any player is entitled to a clear view of an opponent’s chips. Higher denomination chips must be easily visible. If a player requests an accurate chip count for another player, the dealer is responsible for counting out the chips if the player does not want to count out their own chips.

I didn't even know that was in the WSOP rules. And it's certainly not in the TDA rules (except for the point about keeping the higher denomination chips in view). But that said, I can't imagine any (marginally well-run) tournament not getting a chip count for another player, one way or another.

Somebody famous (Raymer?), if asked for a count, merely spreads his hands and lets the dealer count them. But again, he's cooperating with the spirit of the rule; he just doesn't want to possibly give away anything by going through the exercise of counting and announcing his stack.

This really is a non-issue and the guy who "refused" to allow the count was just way off the rails.

Regards, Lee

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06-23-2010 , 10:06 AM

#70

uter

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Originally Posted by ItsRainingMen

"Fine, then I want a count on him," Kuzmin said, stubbornly pointing to Marchese.

awesome.

and btw players in a 10k event (other than the ME obv) that don't understand why the amount of chips you have is relevant - yeah it seems to me tournaments should still be long run beat-able.

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06-23-2010 , 05:30 PM

#71

MonkeyPox

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Imagine the photoshop celebration if Admo wins. EPIC!

Last edited by MonkeyPox; 06-23-2010 at 05:30 PM. Reason: and maybe he will finally finish his website.

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06-23-2010 , 05:48 PM

#72

prana

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yea I always thought the player didn't have to tell you his chip count but the dealer would count it up if you requested.

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06-23-2010 , 05:53 PM

#73

fire_sqaud

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reminds me of a time i played in a 5k buyin live tournament.

an older guy (douche btw but irrelevent - u know those older guys that u can tell were spoiled their entire life (born into millions) and never hard to work a day of real labor in their life) opened from the cutoff. i was in the SB. i asked for his chipcount because it was a spot where i could profitably reshove if the stacks were right given how much he was opening etc. he didn't know for sure, so the dealer counted it out.

the next day I hear the guy talking, "oh that kid was at my table. he gave me one of those, "how many chips u got left" moves and then shoved all in."

i'm just thinking "lol" this guy seriously has no clue why I asked for his chip count. i legitimately think he thought i asked for the sole intention of trying to read his face as to whether or not he was weak or strong or some other far fetched meta game scenerio.