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Whether you think Trump should be indicted or not on any one of his various alleged crimes, I will say it isn't a great look the DA doing it is famously known for refusing to prosecute crimes. With Bragg doing the dirty work, this optically sure looks a lot like a political witch hunt.

Which it obviously is.

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03-19-2023 , 10:46 PM

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Which it obviously is.

LOL. No. Trump has very likely been involved in crime since he became an adult. That has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the fact that he's a piece of garbage who has used his resources and complete lack of morality and ethics to run over anyone in his way..

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03-20-2023 , 09:13 AM

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Also a charge the Feds did not want to proceed with. What baffles me is how long all these investigations take .
6-7 years for this one . Heck this may not get to trial till after the 2024 candidate is out of office

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03-20-2023 , 09:16 AM

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I'm fully prepared to believe that Trump broke the law when he paid Stormy Daniels.

But I'm worried about the consequences of indicting Trump for a crime that (i) no one really cares about (which raises the chances of an acquittal or hung jury imo) and (ii) probably won't result in jail time time even if he is convicted.

It just feels like something that will breathe life into Trumpism.

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03-20-2023 , 09:59 AM

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The thing is all Trump had to do was tweet/truth HE was going to be arrested on Tuesday. No proof of it and all of sudden Trumps over the news cycle and the GOP folks are forced to comment on it.

On his part a brilliant strategy and now what happens if they do not charge him Tuesday or arrest him ?

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03-20-2023 , 10:21 AM

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That's a card he couldn't play over and over.

I'm guessing that, at a minimum, there have been discussions between the Manhattan DA's office and Trump's lawyers about arrest protocols.

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03-20-2023 , 11:17 AM

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Ah yes, Trump's brilliant strategy of whining like a bitch on Twitter while getting indicted on dumb campaign finance violations. What a mastermind.

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03-20-2023 , 12:57 PM

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Which it obviously is.

What does political witch hunt mean?

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What’s the issue tho? If it’s without the statute of limitations then it’s been decided or voted to be that way.

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Are you saying if people cared about it then it would matter?

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03-20-2023 , 01:05 PM

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So is the DA supposed to prosecute people that broke the law or not. Are you saying the DA doesn’t prosecute crimes? What do you mean when you say they are famously known not to prosecute crimes? What is a political witch hunt?

My guess is all the crimes like theft and the woke DA's do not charge anymore . I didnt say it but thats my guess

What does political witch hunt mean?

What’s the issue tho? If it’s without the statute of limitations then it’s been decided or voted to be that way.

Many legal experts interviewed say the charge is a stretch and may be tough to prove. The Federal prosecutor decided not to. Most folks are gonna say yeah he bonked her and than paid her off to shut up. Seems to be a common practice

Are you saying if people cared about it then it would matter?

will see if he is even charged

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03-20-2023 , 01:52 PM

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Many legal experts interviewed say the charge is a stretch and may be tough to prove. The Federal prosecutor decided not to. Most folks are gonna say yeah he bonked her and than paid her off to shut up. Seems to be a common practice

The potential crime isn't that he paid her off. The crime is that the Trump Organization reported it as "legal expense".

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03-20-2023 , 02:06 PM

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will see if he is even charged

Do you think the crimes like theft and woke crimes are similar enough to be judged in the same capacity as a president committing campaign finance fraud?

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03-20-2023 , 02:21 PM

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Do you think the crimes like theft and woke crimes are similar enough to be judged in the same capacity as a president committing campaign finance fraud?

It was not me that stated that point I was just trying to help interpret what the person meant. I think this is a nothing crime unlike the other charges that could be brought against Mr. Trump

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03-20-2023 , 03:14 PM

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Glad to hear you're going to give Uncle Joe a pass on campaign finance law violations, lozen

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03-20-2023 , 03:15 PM

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It was not me that stated that point I was just trying to help interpret what the person meant. I think this is a nothing crime unlike the other charges that could be brought against Mr. Trump

You don’t even know what he’s being charged with yet.

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03-20-2023 , 03:21 PM

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Glad to hear you're going to give Uncle Joe a pass on campaign finance law violations, lozen

If he did commit campaign finance breach does it not really result in a fine.

I never said Trump does not deserved to be charged I just think there are better charges out there.

Nice whataboutism by the way

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03-20-2023 , 03:22 PM

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You don’t even know what he’s being charged with yet.

Neither does Trump

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03-20-2023 , 03:30 PM

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lol

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03-20-2023 , 04:40 PM

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Are you saying if people cared about it then it would matter?

Politically? Of course.

Legally? Perhaps. I think the chances of a hung jury or an acquittal are higher in a case where no one really cares about the conduct that is the basis for the charge, although I couldn't say by how much.

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03-20-2023 , 04:46 PM

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Also a charge the Feds did not want to proceed with. What baffles me is how long all these investigations take .
6-7 years for this one . Heck this may not get to trial till after the 2024 candidate is out of office

The Manhattan's DA's office hasn't been investigating Trump on these charges for 6-7 years. I don't know where you got that from. You can't indict a sitting president. That fact alone makes it unlikely for a prosecutor's office to use significant resources on an investigation until a president is out of office.

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03-20-2023 , 04:59 PM

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Nice whataboutism by the way

Kinda new strat for me. Been reading about this here on this forum. Some seem to be better than others at using it properly. But as I said, I'm a noob at this sort of thing. In your opinion, who are the posters here that use whataboutism the best?

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03-20-2023 , 06:53 PM

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Correct me if I am wrong but this same prosecutor refused to prosecute this years ago and two of his staff resigned due to this. The Feds refused to charge this as it's a weak case .

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03-20-2023 , 08:25 PM

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My take is that a Trump arrest is massively +EV for him.

Anybody disagree?

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03-20-2023 , 09:29 PM

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Correct me if I am wrong but this same prosecutor refused to prosecute this years ago and two of his staff resigned due to this. The Feds refused to charge this as it's a weak case .

Two senior prosecutors resigned in early 2022 because Bragg refused to go forward with an indictment of Trump and the Trump organization related to misstatements in financial statements that were given to lenders, insurers, etc. In other words, it was an investigation of a different alleged crime.

Federal prosecutors (i.e. U.S. attorneys) prosecute violations of federal criminal law, not state law. Local DAs prosecute violations of state criminal law, not federal law.

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03-20-2023 , 11:32 PM

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My take is that a Trump arrest is massively +EV for him.

Anybody disagree?

It is likely +EV for him personally, but this circus going on right now is also massively +EV for Biden and the Dems because it got the story of all the millions given form Chinese sources to Biden's family members off the front page. Win win.

Very likely this whole thing was just sitting in the cold box waiting for the right moment when the Dem's needed a distraciton.