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09-14-2021 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Shame. He seemed like such a cool guy.
He hasn't figured out that the 'liberals' his heros on talk radio make look so foolish are shills and paid by the show.
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09-14-2021 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
In the United States, right-wing domestic terrorism occurs vastly more often than left-wing domestic terrorism. This is a well-established fact. None of your histrionic screeds (who's the emotional one here again?) can change that.
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Originally Posted by nick619
Well established? LOL cool story bro.
Seems like I've established it pretty well! Somehow we're still waiting for your list of left-wing US terrorists and all the murders they've done, or really any kind of argument against all these facts I'm presenting you.

Can you admit that American right-wingers account for far more terrorism and violence than American left-wingers? (It doesn't actually matter, because what I'm saying is a known truth, but it'd be nice to make some progress in the discourse!)
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09-14-2021 , 05:22 PM
Nick, wondering how you feel about this:

liberal -------- centralist -------- conservative
1*************5******************10

Are you a ten?

If AOC, Bernie, BLM etc are one.... where do the regular posters in this thread fall?
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09-14-2021 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Man, I can't keep up with all this liberal hate. Ya'll just sit with your hate and circle jerk each other. I'm out.
Damn dude, you went from making liberals cry five years ago to

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09-14-2021 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Ya'll can attack me all day on here. I'm used to it. Hate and attacking is what liberals do. Go on.
I find it hard to believe you actually hang around any conservatives in real life
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09-14-2021 , 07:50 PM
And if Trump gets back into power with no means to legit get re-elected in 2028, only his old age and poor health would stop him going All-In Putin, style to try and keep power and control. He would be far worse at the end of that term.

Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons

Two days after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, President Donald Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons,...

...Milley, deeply shaken by the assault, 'was certain that Trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election, with Trump now all but manic, screaming at officials and constructing his own alternate reality about endless election conspiracies.' Milley worried that Trump could 'go rogue,'...

...Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. ... Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.
"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," ...

...Milley had already had two back-channel phone calls with China's top general, who was on high alert over the chaos in the US.

Then Milley received a blunt phone call from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, ...
"What I'm saying to you is that if they couldn't even stop him from an assault on the Capitol, who even knows what else he may do? And is there anybody in charge at the White House who was doing anything but kissing his fat butt all over this?"
Pelosi continued, "You know he's crazy. He's been crazy for a long time."
According to Woodward and Costa, Milley responded, "Madam Speaker, I agree with you on everything."...

...some might contend that Milley had overstepped his authority and taken extraordinary power for himself,' but he believed his actions were 'a good faith precaution to ensure there was no historic rupture in the international order, no accidental war with China or others, and no use of nuclear weapons.'...

..Milley called it the 'absolute darkest moment of theoretical possibility,' ...

... top national security officials were worried Trump might pull a "Wag the Dog" -- provoking a conflict domestically or abroad to distract from his crushing election loss.
... "We are on the way to a right-wing coup. The whole thing is insanity. He is acting out like a six-year-old with a tantrum." Haspel also worried that Trump would try to attack Iran.

"This is a highly dangerous situation. We are going to lash out for his ego?"...

... a key figure from Trump's earliest days as president reemerged: former White House adviser Steve Bannon. ... Bannon,... played a critical role in the events leading up to January 6.
... "You've got to call Pence off the ****ing ski slopes and get him back here today. This is a crisis."...January 6 was "the moment for reckoning."
"People are going to go, 'What the **** is going on here?' " Bannon believed. "We're going to bury Biden on January 6th, ****ing bury him," ...

... Trump pressured Pence to overturn the results of the election. ...

"If these people say you had the power, wouldn't you want to?" Trump asked.
"I wouldn't want any one person to have that authority," Pence said.
"But wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power?" Trump asked, according to Woodward and Costa.
"No," Pence said. He went on, "I've done everything I could and then some to find a way around this. It's simply not possible."
When Pence did not budge, Trump turned on him.

"No, no, no!" Trump shouted, according to the authors. "You don't understand, Mike. You can do this. I don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this."
Trump called Pence again the morning of January 6. "If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago," Trump said, according to the authors. "You're going to wimp out," he said, his anger visible to others in the office.

Even though Pence stood up to Trump in the end, "Peril" reveals that after four years of abject loyalty, he struggled with the decision. ...

...Trump ignored repeated requests by both staff and his daughter Ivanka Trump to call off the rioters at the Capitol on January 6.
In one episode, retired Gen. Keith Kellogg, who served as Pence's national security adviser, was in the White House with Trump while he watched the insurrection unfold on television.
Kellogg urged Trump to act.

"You really should do a tweet," Kellogg said, according to the authors. "You need to get a tweet out real quick, help control the crowd up there. This is out of control. They're not going to be able to control this. Sir, they're not prepared for it. Once a mob starts turning like that, you've lost it."

"Yeah," Trump said. The authors write, 'Trump blinked and kept watching television.'
Ivanka Trump also repeatedly tried to intervene, talking to her father three times. "Let this thing go," she told him. "Let it go," she said,...

...In June 2020, after Black Lives Matter protests near the White House, Trump lit into then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who had just announced at a news conference that he opposed invoking the Insurrection Act in response to the protests.

"You took away my authority!" Trump screamed at Esper in the Oval Office. "You're not the president! I'm the goddamn president."

But Trump wasn't done, according to the book, turning to the rest of his team in the room. "You're all ****ed up," he yelled. "Everybody. You're all ****ed. Every one of you is ****ed up!"

In the aftermath of the election, Trump's rage was directed at Barr for daring to even mention the incoming Biden administration...

...Trump is still angry with Republicans who blamed him for the insurrection, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

"This guy called me every single day, pretended to be my best friend, and then, he ****ed me. He's not a good guy," ...

...Trump allies speculating about his plans for 2024. ...Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham ..."if he wants to run, then he's going to have to deal with his personality problems ... we've got a very damaged team captain."

..."You've been written off as dead because of January the 6th. The conventional wisdom is that the Republican Party, under your leadership, has collapsed,"...if "you came back to take the White House, it would be the biggest comeback in American history."
..."He had an army. An army for Trump. He wants that back," Parscale later told others. "I don't think he sees it as a comeback. He sees it as vengeance."
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09-14-2021 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I did not say anything about the election being corrupt, that I believed it, that I didn't believe it, etc. What I said was that literally every President has done something that people would define as corrupt, unlawful, take your pick. Every. Damn. One. It is unfair to say President Trump should be in prison and the others get a free pass. Either all of them go to prison or none of them go to prison.
I agree with this but I would go a step further. presidents get to do all the crimes while they are president just like how it works today. but at the end of their term they terminated as well.
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09-16-2021 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Man, I can't keep up with all this liberal hate. Ya'll just sit with your hate and circle jerk each other. I'm out.
You just summed up the whole Politics and Society forum. With one less conservative here, their echo chamber is getting closer and closer to being complete.
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09-16-2021 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperGrover123
You just summed up the whole Politics and Society forum. With one less conservative here, their echo chamber is getting closer and closer to being complete.
The implicit premise in your statement is that conservatives can be counted discretely, so I'm pretty sure it should be "fewer".

Apologies to everyone else for being a grammar Nazi. I figured some flavour of Nazism might make our new friend feel welcome.

Last edited by d2_e4; 09-16-2021 at 09:52 AM.
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09-16-2021 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
The implicit premise in your statement is that conservatives can be counted discretely, so I'm pretty sure it should be "fewer".

Apologies to everyone else for being a grammar Nazi. I figured some flavour of Nazism might make our new friend feel welcome.
Like I said. Enjoy your echo chamber.

Last edited by SuperGrover123; 09-16-2021 at 10:38 AM.
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09-18-2021 , 09:38 AM
This thread is dumb. I could make a poll about whether people would like it to start raining cupcakes every Thursday. I mean, sure, I guess? Sounds delicious? Both events are about equally likely.

Last edited by Einstein2; 09-18-2021 at 09:49 AM.
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09-18-2021 , 10:31 AM
Chocolate cupcakes for me please
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01-31-2022 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And if Trump gets back into power
It has become painfully obvious that congressional subpoenas are largely toothless.
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the lack of even whispers of a federal criminal investigation into Trump
or other high-ranking government officials or political figures is dangerous

if the Justice Department doesn’t prosecute Trump and he runs for re-election in 2024,
we can expect him to talk about his “confirmed innocence” at every rally.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/will-t...s-bid-n1288225
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01-31-2022 , 09:29 PM
my fingers are crossed that the Dem's are being strategic in the timing of prosecuting Trump.

I know many here feel that the Dems and the justice Department being strategic is a terrible wrong but I am all for it.

If indeed as Rococo fears the bigger threat is Trump charged and beating the charge (which I don't agree) and that launches him into a successful election campaign and back in to power then the way to charge and prosecute him is in a way that will drag thru the 2024 election campaign. Make sure the trial has little chance to be done before the election campaign ends and thus Trump has to be in a court all day while everyone else is campaigning.

that is what Trump wanted to do to Biden with a fake prosecution and he was pushing Barr to do.

The big difference is that a Trump prosecution is justified and the timing of which is always discretionary.
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01-31-2022 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee

The big difference is that a Trump prosecution is justified and the timing of which is always discretionary.
Can you list all the evidence you have that it is justified please? Documents, affidavits, witnesses

Or are you relying this on media reports. Not that I do not believe he is guilty but we keep hearing the Dems cry wolf

Referring to crimes other presidents have done in office is not the same. If they get Trump its for what he did prior to holding office. Correct?
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02-01-2022 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Can you list all the evidence you have that it is justified please? Documents, affidavits, witnesses

Or are you relying this on media reports. Not that I do not believe he is guilty but we keep hearing the Dems cry wolf

Referring to crimes other presidents have done in office is not the same. If they get Trump its for what he did prior to holding office. Correct?
Do you reckon he might be innocent ? Witch hunt?
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02-01-2022 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Can you list all the evidence you have that it is justified please? Documents, affidavits, witnesses



Or are you relying this on media reports. Not that I do not believe he is guilty but we keep hearing the Dems cry wolf



Referring to crimes other presidents have done in office is not the same. If they get Trump its for what he did prior to holding office. Correct?
Literally everything Trump did with his phone call to the GA governor and SOS last year is a crime for election interference. The problem is you need 12 people to find a defendant guilty. And in Georgia that's nearly impossible. All it takes is 1 derp to vote not guilty and you get a hung jury and acquittal. So your question of evidence and affidavits is moot. He's on tape committing a crime, and your Neanderthal brethren from the states support it.

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia...ction-21-2-604
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02-01-2022 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Yeah but we’ve had presidents who were pro-slavery, we’ve had presidents whove elected to genocide people, we’ve had presidents who murder people and do drugs, we’ve had all kinds of crazy presidents who we’ve extended professional courtesy to. Why this one?
gotta start somewhere
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02-01-2022 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
Do you reckon he might be innocent ? Witch hunt?
No I think he is guilty of many of the things they accuse of but they need to prove it.
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02-01-2022 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckyK
Literally everything Trump did with his phone call to the GA governor and SOS last year is a crime for election interference. The problem is you need 12 people to find a defendant guilty. And in Georgia that's nearly impossible. All it takes is 1 derp to vote not guilty and you get a hung jury and acquittal. So your question of evidence and affidavits is moot. He's on tape committing a crime, and your Neanderthal brethren from the states support it.

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia...ction-21-2-604
hung jury is not an acquittal, it is a mistrial (meaning the prosecution gets to try again)

the real pickle is going to be impaneling a jury that doesn't already know the facts of the case
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02-01-2022 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Bryce, I disagree with this take 100%. Would you take the same attitude for other crimes? We just let people go coz reasons and they promise not to do it again?

Criminal penalties serve the following purposes:

- Punishment
- Rehabilitation
- Deterrence

Which of the above do you think we just "let go" if he promises to be a good boy and not do it again (which won't happen anyway)?
you omitted the most impactful one - Incapacitation
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02-01-2022 , 12:06 PM
LOCK HIM UP !!!
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02-01-2022 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Can you list all the evidence you have that it is justified please? Documents, affidavits, witnesses

Or are you relying this on media reports. Not that I do not believe he is guilty but we keep hearing the Dems cry wolf

Referring to crimes other presidents have done in office is not the same. If they get Trump its for what he did prior to holding office. Correct?
I see some have already replied with the lowest hanging fruit.

So I will offer up all the stuff coming out now on his attempts to stop the Certification process.

The rats are all starting to talk to CYA. They know that if Trump is charged his main defense will be 'my lawyers advised me this path was legal. I did what was necessary in getting counsel and tailoring my actions to that, so don't blame me. Go after them if that is wrong'.


You have Peter Navarro wanting to get on the record 'this is what our lawyers advised us was legal' as a way to say 'if we were just following legal advice it is not illegal'. 'Don't look at me'.

That triggers Trump lawyer Boris Epshteyn to go on TV and get on the record they were all following senior Lawyer Rudy Giulliani's game plan. Thus believed to be legal, ...don't blame me.

Rudy has come out forcefully to make it known he was working for and under the direction of Trump as he sees the writing on the wall. His best defense is 'he was a lawyer taking instructions and acting on them' and he was not the originator.


I don't really care in the games people play where they say 'if it cannot hold up in court it did not happen'. We know court is a different standard. I know, that you know Trump has done these things and more even if you want to play a game pretending you don't until a court of law bangs the gavel.
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02-01-2022 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I see some have already replied with the lowest hanging fruit.

So I will offer up all the stuff coming out now on his attempts to stop the Certification process.

The rats are all starting to talk to CYA. They know that if Trump is charged his main defense will be 'my lawyers advised me this path was legal. I did what was necessary in getting counsel and tailoring my actions to that, so don't blame me. Go after them if that is wrong'.


You have Peter Navarro wanting to get on the record 'this is what our lawyers advised us was legal' as a way to say 'if we were just following legal advice it is not illegal'. 'Don't look at me'.

That triggers Trump lawyer Boris Epshteyn to go on TV and get on the record they were all following senior Lawyer Rudy Giulliani's game plan. Thus believed to be legal, ...don't blame me.

Rudy has come out forcefully to make it known he was working for and under the direction of Trump as he sees the writing on the wall. His best defense is 'he was a lawyer taking instructions and acting on them' and he was not the originator.


I don't really care in the games people play where they say 'if it cannot hold up in court it did not happen'. We know court is a different standard. I know, that you know Trump has done these things and more even if you want to play a game pretending you don't until a court of law bangs the gavel.

What I am saying is you are convicting the man based on what the media is telling you. It is the same way I though Kyle Rittenhouse had shot 3 unarmed black men.

Of course I think Trump is guilty of a bunch of things in office and out of office.

You mentioned maybe they are waiting on charging him as a part of a strategy. If they have the evidence now prosecute him now. Justice is not supposed to have a political agenda
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