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09-11-2019 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think Trolly is drunk. That's the only way he gets Predator confused with Rambo.

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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Also, if I remember correctly in that scene they shot hundreds of rounds and all they managed to do was barely would the Predator, so it was a pretty ineffectual effort overall.

Just saying.
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I thought that was a Predator reference?
That’s what I get for grunching.
09-11-2019 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Except that's just not true. I said they mostly don't outright blatantly lie, that they self police and self-censor. And Taibbi says the same thing.
Yeah I also call them professional liars because that is also true. I'm reading another one of his pieces right now where he discusses the press in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It wasn't just Judith Miller involved there. I'll post it in the other thread. There he blames "groupthink" mostly btw. That is his prerogative and I disagree some. But you guys are cherry picking statements like I'm saying something radically different from Taibbi when I'm not. Which isn't to say that I always need to agree with him either.
You’re saying we should not trust the reporting of NYT and Vox. That is exactly the opposite of what Taibbi is saying. I’ll quote it for you again:
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People who came away from Manufacturing Consent with the idea that the media peddles lies misread the book. Papers like the New York Times, for the most part, do not traffic in outright deceptions.

The overwhelming majority of commercial news reporting is factual (with one conspicuous exception I’ll get into later on), and the individual reporters who work in the business tend to be quite stubborn in their adherence to fact as a matter of principle.

People should trust reporters.
I’ll ask you again, why does Vox being neoliberal make its reporting untrustworthy?
09-11-2019 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I thought that was a Predator reference?
Money2Burn, you son of a *****.
09-11-2019 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Let me guess: the Illuminati made up a story about a black celebrity murdering his white wife to rile up angry white people.
I'm guessing this is closer to what Luckbox believes about MLK. The story of his assassination was made up by some combination of the Illuminati and the media. The Illuminati wanted to inflame racial tensions because of reasons. The media just wanted money.

And MLK went along with it because of reasons. Or maybe he was chained up in a basement.

And Luckbox knows this is true because Baden and because of something he gleaned from the open casket photos or the crime scene photos.

Luckbox, how did I do?
09-11-2019 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
That is exactly the opposite of what Taibbi is saying.
Luckbox's take on Taibbi would amount to some next level trolling from Taibbi. It's not like Taibbi is broadcasting his pirate signal from the basement of a secret location. He's part of the system.
09-11-2019 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Luckbox's take on Taibbi would amount to some next level trolling from Taibbi. It's not like Taibbi is broadcasting his pirate signal from the basement of a secret location. He's part of the system.
Yeah, luck appears to have taken the idea that media outlets only allow opinions within a certain range to be expressed and concluded that that means that the “truth” on any given story is necessarily outside what conventional media outlets are reporting on. So he’s cobbling together all the negative space of media reporting to come up with his ideas about what’s actually going on. It’s actually crazy.
09-11-2019 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Yeah, luck appears to have taken the idea that media outlets only allow opinions within a certain range to be expressed and concluded that that means that the “truth” on any given story is necessarily outside what conventional media outlets are reporting on. So he’s cobbling together all the negative space of media reporting to come up with his ideas about what’s actually going on. It’s actually crazy.
Do you realize how stupid this sounds? Try to get my positions correct because it's really silly that I have to deal with stupid posts like this.

No I do not think the bolded is true.
How did you get that idea?
09-11-2019 , 09:20 AM
More news on the Satan front:


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09-11-2019 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
You’re saying we should not trust the reporting of NYT and Vox. That is exactly the opposite of what Taibbi is saying. I’ll quote it for you again:



I’ll ask you again, why does Vox being neoliberal make its reporting untrustworthy?
A whole chapter of his book Taibbi devotes to how NYT reporters "groupthinked" us into the Iraq war. He says that they didn't lie but then explains how they uncritically swallow official sources and still only present a range of opinion.
I take that to mean don't trust them.
Taibbi is saying that if a plane falls on I-70, that they are going to give you the correct body count. I agree that they will. He says in the vast majority of reporting, trust reporters. There isn't a problem with that statement. Most reporting is on inconsequential stuff.
Let's also point out that Taibbi is a reporter and seems to have a lot of reporter friends, so he's probably not going to be saying that all reporters are pathological liars and he might even find ways to diminish their culpability while still finding ways to attack the news business overall.
You've literally picked one errant line of a book you haven't read and taken it to mean the opposite thesis--that mainstream news is trustworthy.

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09-11-2019 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm guessing this is closer to what Luckbox believes about MLK. The story of his assassination was made up by some combination of the Illuminati and the media. The Illuminati wanted to inflame racial tensions because of reasons. The media just wanted money.



And MLK went along with it because of reasons. Or maybe he was chained up in a basement.



And Luckbox knows this is true because Baden and because of something he gleaned from the open casket photos or the crime scene photos.



Luckbox, how did I do?
Poorly. I think there is a conspiracy involving MLK but I've never came across what the answers are and haven't really looked. The King's don't think Ray did it which is good enough for that, but MLK isn't one of the people who I don't think was actually killed but I wouldn't know either way. Baden being involved in a story in any way I'm learning means one should dig deeper, but I don't know what his role with mlk was.
09-11-2019 , 09:42 AM
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I’ll ask you again, why does Vox being neoliberal make its reporting untrustworthy?
Because it is corporate journalism with corporate masters and corporate responsibilities to produce corporate news that benefits big business.
What you really are asking me is for all of the mechanisms that make this happen.
09-11-2019 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Poorly. I think there is a conspiracy involving MLK but I've never came across what the answers are and haven't really looked. The King's don't think Ray did it which is good enough for that, but MLK isn't one of the people who I don't think was actually killed but I wouldn't know either way. Baden being involved in a story in any way I'm learning means one should dig deeper, but I don't know what his role with mlk was.
According to NBC news, Baden chaired the government committee that reinvestigated the death of MLK.

He didn't do the autopsy, but then again, he didn't do the autopsy of Epstein either.
09-11-2019 , 09:57 AM
I think this derail of a derail has run its course.

      
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