I do not know if it's fascism, per se. It's the ends justify the means type thing. I do not know if they know they are doing it, or if it's actually a cognitive issue where they believe in the righteousness, that they ignore the bad things that occur using the tactics they use. And it's not just a left-wing thing, the right is just as bad.

Everyone should have access to banking services and access to the internet (among other thing). These things are just too important to life.

But that doesn't mean that sites/companies have a right to these things. Nor does it mean that individuals have the right to use any old banking service or allowed to participate on any particular site. There may be special cases and some monopolistic sites that are so important that access restrictions should be a matter for the courts.

In passing. I'm totally on board with the below but very much doubt I'm going to be welcomed as a comrade.

I doubt Chase even closed Laura Loomer's account and if they did it was almost certainly for something other than speech.

If banking in general became difficult because of speech, I would probably support a law. One bank may be private, but on the whole banking is quasi-public.

Eddie Glaude weighing in, as he so often expertly does:

A youtube channel with 3 subs and 8 views is pretty impressive.
But I'm still trying to figure out what I'm watching.
Catch the super creepy smile when he says "America is not unique in its sins" right in the beginning.

These issues are incredibly complicated but I think the main ingredients are polarization leading to radicalization. This is being exaggerated by isolation and online echo chambers. Then you add the nihilism and increased factors leading to suicidal tendencies. Social media amplifying all of this. All of this combined and easy access to highly efficient tools for killing...

Sorry for the derail into free speech/press on this thread, but do you actually believe this? Or it was hyperbole?

It scares me to see such statements, and I think is the way leftists (fascist left, as opposed to liberal progressives) actually think. My questions above are real questions though, not rhetorical, because I am hoping I'm overreacting.

There should be consequences for what they do under the guise of journalism. Free speech/press my ass. If damages could be objectively measured, they would be removed from society. I haven't thought deeply enough about it to answer your question thoughtfully, but I will offer that I believe they are more deserving of incarceration than a non-trivial percentage of current inmates.

Different posters get different mileage out of their accusations

That can be said of basically any political position.

I'll take an example. Let's say minimum wage laws are better for society than their absence. Let's say you can calculate the damage of not having minimum wage laws. Should a talking head who advocates for not having minimum wage laws go to jail for arguing against minimum wage laws? Clearly not. At least I hope it's clear.

Now switch to Carlson saying stuff about immigration. I don't watch Fox News, though I may have seen Carlson 3 or 4 times. What did he actually say that makes you want to put him in jail?

Let's leave aside your view that some drug criminals (or whatever criminals) shouldn't be in jail. Not relevant.

Sorry if I'm blowing this out of proportion, but your view on this is actually pretty scary to me, and, I suspect, it's common on the far left.

Did you miss the thread dedicated to Carlson in the old forum? They legitimately weighed the pros and cons of burning his house down after antifa terrified his wife and kid
Yeah I think the problem is that people feel the need to defend themselves against those accusations and it just ends to a constant derail. But the actual perception of the accusation looks something like this. Warning, he uses the F--K word

Shooter seems like a confused loner who spent a lot of times in dark corners of the internet. Seems pretty unlikely he was an innocent soul lured into radical trappings through normal societal means. He probably grew up around a bunch of racists, was of poor social adjustment, and sought further like minded individuals through the magic of the internets.

I feel like the ever increasing left leaning demographic of the old politard forum might be some sort of case study for the phenomenon of the near omniscience of the internet leading to more and more narrow views as it allows for even the niche-est of belief to find community and tribalize.

Edit: Fair point Clovis. And since you called me out, I'll edit it out to be less inflammatory.

You don’t know what far left means.

Assuming your premise about min-wage, it's actually not clear and it would depend on the amount of damage. Remember, this is a hypothetical where we know the amount of damage.

It's Carlson's body of work, amplified by others that does the damage. Don't expect me to pick out statements that alone rise to that level. I'm sure there are examples to make my point, such as unfair inflammatory criticism of Rep. Omar, Ocasio Cortez, and others that could put them at increased personal risk, but mostly it's the steady drum beat of white nationalism, directly or by dog whistle.

My statement did not say I thought some criminals should not be in jail (although I do believe that), it was that Carlson and others are more deserving of incarceration than some convicts. It's relevant to your original question (do I believe Carlson should be put in jail) because my answer would depend somewhat on what society chooses to do with criminals - since we have an affinity for locking people up, Carlson et al make the cut in my opinion (pending deeper consideration.)

I do not consider Carlson a journalist.

edit: I meant to include something about you thinking it's a common opinion on the left. That would surprise me.

this misrepresents the facts

https://nyti.ms/2yE8ZPa

And I'm saying it's also always meant that.

Like, you know how dictionaries have multiple definitions of a word, listed by relevance? Or are dictionaries just for sheeple living in the fever dream matrix?

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Part of the problem is that you are a legit liar. Like your entire post is just straight up lies.

Ok. I've read about it. I still think the treatment of it all is interesting but I'll let it go until someone writes another article.

Bro as much as you wish the old politics forum regs were shooting up whatever, sorry it's not the case. The reality is that white supremacists radicalized by 8chan or whatever or shooting up mosques and churches and Mexicans on a weekly basis.

It's not the ppl advocating for healthcare and equal rights no matter how much you wishcast.

Bro, my post was about how the old politics forum ended up almost exclusively a certain brand of Dem, and how that relates to the broader internet as a whole. You legitimately can't read. Or maybe you are drunk?

I dunno, I expect an apology when you come to your senses though.

Like dude posts a manifesto spelling out exactly why he's gonna commit mass murder and Coordi is like ya I'm gonna blame the guys supporting health care and equality. I can't even. I'm just speechless. I wish I was smart enough to say something witty but nope. Just legit sad that I share the planet with him.

Curious, were you one of the lefties mocking "they hate us for our freedoms", despite that being one Al Qaeda's primary reasoning for 9/11? The social invasion of western liberal ideals into Islamic lands corrupting Muslims... That was rejected by many on the left, rightly so.

I blame the environment the kid grew up in over anything else. I don't think this forum or people who support health care abroad are to blame in any way.

Something Chez said in another thread stuck with me a bit. The gist was; if you are saying things and everyone can't understand you, then the problem is you.

Which is why I haven't been posting much. I say one thing, someone responds as if I said another. And it just happens over and over to the point that I must be crazy or deficient or something.

I have no clue how you could interpret my comment as blaming the old forum.