Its a heated topic, also a sensitive one, since you don't want to step on anyone's toes. Glad you think it's worthwhile.

This is one of the most closed-minded things I've read on this forum. Truly sad that bi people have to live in world full of straight guys like this.

No, I wouldn't take the risks of being in the adult film industry in general. That's my preference. I do take other risks with my body that I suspect most people would not but those are my own choice.

Yes, I think refusing to deal with a gay person because of some broader position you have with gay people in general is homophobic. Treating an individual worse because of they come from some broad demographic is kind of the definition of prejudice. But even if your fears are rationally grounded about that individual it's a bloody good idea not to tweet about gay performers in general.

Uke, can you name one bi-sexual relationship in human history that was a success? Just one. If you are correct it shouldnt be so difficult.
And I know you cant, this is almost a rhetorical question.

Jesus christ, are you both trolling me now? Blade you know the risks of catching a std in gay/trans porn are at least 10x higher as in regular porn. What are you arguing about? Seriously
And Uke, you know you cannot give my an answer. Period. It would be amazing if you could.

If I say my old housemate from uni was bisexual and married a woman he met at uni 15 years ago what do I win?

Will you just say "Oh, I don't know your friend" or will you realise how ****ing absurd and bigoted it is to think that no bisexual in history has ever had a successful relationship?

Just imagine if someone sat here and said no black people have had a successful relationship. Or no gay people have. Or any other demographic. You're extrapolating from that you seemingly don't know any bi people like that to that there are literally none and never have been.

You dont win anything, since you cannot prove it. Give us an example that we all can verify. Human history is long, just one example please. Im curiously waiting if you can come up with just one. And please stop making stupid comparisons.

Dominic is a longtime poster on 2+2. He used to be a director in the industry. He did an AMA in some forum or another.

Gore Vidal, you absolute ignoramus.

Ahh we could need that guy now. He could tell blade how off he really is.

Oh, I thought it was a joke that I said there were "interesting things" in the adult film industry.

Sure. My sister in law is bi and has been in a stable relationship for 10 years.

What an utterly disgusting idea that bi people cna't have successful relationship.

YOU cant come up with one! not even one single one. lol

Try again. I said one that we can all verify. Why is that so hard? Even if I give you 1000-1 you coulnt come up with anyone.
My opinion is, it never works out. Prove me wrong please. I genuinly interested in that answer.

Is this a level or are we about to see another Washoe "I'm sorry for the thing I said two minutes ago, one moment's contemplation showed me wrong again"?

In this case Im fairly certain you cannot name me one person that we all know. So no need to apologize for this. I can give you a thousand examples of relationships that worked out for a lifetime. You on the other hand cannot name one. And I try to find the prove that this applies for bi relationships too. But there is no proof, no example, nothing. However hard you try to turn and twist it.

I don't know whether this meets your definition of a bisexual relationship, but I am good friends with a bisexual woman who claims to be (and certainly appears to be) happily married to a man.

I don't know anyone who has tried to maintain a committed polyamorous bisexual relationship. But I would imagine that relatively few people are interested in that sort of relationship.

I really can't tell what is going on ITT. Does washoe genuinely believe that bi people ca't have a successful relationship? And he....uh....wants us to google like people magazine celebrity gossip or something?

Or am I just being trolled? I don't know this person well enough to tell the difference here.

I just named Gore Vidal.

I know he didn't make a lot of YouTube videos but he was incredibly famous.

Your line of posts on this is hopeless for two main reasons.

First of all, that no bi-sexual person could have a successful relationship is of course just nonsense. One can see where this bigoted myth starts, in that bi-sexuality is a sexuality that becomes more publicly visible when someone has multiple partners. But that's just an illusion of perception, there is nothing that stops a bi-sexual person from having a traditional monogamous relationship. That just depends on them and their partner's feelings for each-other and how it stays over time. Though it seems somewhat 1950s to use that as a metric for success anyway.

Secondly, the criteria for successful relationship is also nonsensical. Regardless of sexuality, if two (or more, for that matter) people have a successful relationship pretty much only depends on their feelings about it, not what you, I or anyone else thinks about it.

And frankly I find it odd to have a debate on relationships and sexuality and continuously bring up pornography. Relationships and sexuality are reality, pornography is mostly just an industry that produces fiction.

I'm getting the impression that Gore Vidal doesn't count because Washoe's now added the caveat "that we've all heard of" and therefore one of the most prominent writers of the 20th century doesn't count.

Good points. I should have clarified what I mean by successful relationships. When I say this, I mean monogamous long term relationships, possible a lifetime long. If I look around me, I have to say that all bi people I meet tend to be in broken relationships, never in a long one, and mostly confused. That is of course only a very personal observation. When you look at history books, there are no long lasting relationships imo with people who swing both ways, imo it cannot work out for a few reasons. Namely envy. Im even willing to accept that there is people who are bi and have a long term monogaous relationship, I meet tons of people who tell they are bi. Problem is I never see them happy, I think we could focus on this. Is it ever working out. If so, where are the examples?

Well, if your metric for success is a long-lasting monogamous relationship, then a bi-sexual person in such a relationship will often to the public eye seem to not be bi-sexual.

Basically, the person would have to tell the world that he or she was bi-sexual for it to be visible, which a lot of people don't bother doing. Partially because it is a sexuality met with outdated views or misunderstanding.

washoe generates this sort of confusion in a lot of people.

I told everyone this would be entertaining.

So then, Gore V is the example that you are seeking. (other than both partners actively had "meaningless" sex outside the relationship. They were (still) both happy)

Thanks, I didnt know of the guy.

It does seem to me that they were more on a platonic friendship than anything else. Dont know if this is really a good example. They never had sex.

Here is a quote by him: "He said that the secret to his long relationship with Austen was that they did not have sex with each other: "It's easy to sustain a relationship when sex plays no part, and impossible, I have observed, when it does."

So they never had sex with each other but were seing other people on the side. This is not the form of realtionship that I had in mind. I dont know if that leads to happyness in other words. Exchanging physicalities with strangers? I am not convinced that this is the gto way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Vidal#Personal_life