of course it is common sense. everyone has an ID here, you can't go outside without an I'D.
if you do not carry an ID here you get fined. so everyone carries one at all times. if you too stupid to carry ID you should not be allowed to vote.

you guys have problems. lol
that's honestly completely ******ed what you guys are doing.

what is the point of this?

they want people to vote who can't identify themself?

when i worked as a public defender i met dozens if not hundreds of people that didn't currently have ID, and most couldn't spare the 25 dollars or the time/transport to get it.

i dont care if they are likely or not to vote. the idea is it should be easier to vote not harder as there is NO RATIONAL BASIS TO MAKE IT HARDER BECUASE THERE IS ZERO SECURITY RISK. the ONLY reason to support voter id is disenfranchisement due to racism or elitism

no! here it is anyone who is too stupid to own an ID can't do jackshit. you can't vote you can't even go on the streets. I think it makes sense that you can't vote then neither of course...

and it always made sense to me!!

wtf if you get into an accident??
then nobody knows who you are and can't notify anyone.

what if the police asks you for ID? what you then? you could be a suspect. you could be wanted.

and if you don't have 25 dollars you can't vote.

easy game. what kind of problem is that?

easier to vote you say? so you want idiots to vote who don't have their **** together? honestly?

you can't contribute to society, you're not voting here. I like it. it's a system that makes sense. yours doesn't.

now were talking!... that's why they say the US are stupid. that makes no sense whatsoever.

HAHAHAAAA!

republicans want LAND OF THE FREE, but you better carry your papers everywhere you go, especially if youre poor or a minority!!

I dont think that has anything to do with racism. it's common sense.

get your **** together or don't vote.
you want to have a healthy society you act like it.

I heard about this id thing but I never thought about it. so it's really true huh? that is astonishing. turtle mindboggeling that you think a person without ID should be voting. how the f is that supposed to function? that's why you are such a mess bro.

here you get that covered by the state if you don't have money. it's mandatory to move and function as a society. and like I said the state takes care of it. how it should be imo. look it up, it's called europe.


how the f do you id yourself? if you don't have ID, I don't get how that is supposed to work! pls tell me

https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/com...dentification/

here's proof.

apparently you can get fined up to 5000 euros for violation of not carrying an ID card.

'The German Act on Identity Cards and Electronic Identification (German: Personalausweisgesetz) requires all citizens over the age of 16 to be in possession of an identity card or passport and to be able to present this document to authorities on request, allowing for fines of up to 5000 € in cases of violations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Obligation of identification - Wikipedia'

how the f do you think a society is supposed to work if you can't even tell who you are?

I know that sounds a bit like a soup Nazi but think about it..

we are not rolling dice here- a person should have id and some knowledge who they are voting for. what you do there is insane, if you ask me.

and arguably a person with no id is also insane. what else would they be? rational? healthy? cmon! yeah the should vote?

on what planet? if you lose it ok! but you have some way of identification then and its an emergency. i can see a case for that.
yeah its possible that you lose it. but you had to have it in the first place. right?

washoe, pace yourself man.

Funny how people tell you other reasons, but you still think the ONLY reason is something completely different.

Also, it's ridiculous to think there is ZERO security risk. I agree that it's not a systemic national problem, but there certainly is some risk of people voting twice, voting for someone else, etc., and I'm sure it happens at least a few times in every election. You are seriously a lawyer and you believe that no one ever deliberately votes as someone else?

Actually Republicans are the main people who fight against a national ID card.

I'm not going to bother breaking this down, but instead will just make a few points. If you read the same NPR article I did, you should have answered your own question about who these "ID-less" people are:

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/14620...-government-id

Or to take your own example, and I'm sorry to hear about your crippling depression - what about people who go through something like that but don't have any support system like you do?

As for asking how many people would want to vote - who the **** cares? It's OK if it's 1 million, then? And your point about certain demographics being more likely to vote is irrelevant. We're talking about people who aren't allowed to vote, not those who don't want to.

JFC washoe, do you think just once when you see a topic you don't know much about you could make even the slightest effort to educate yourself before rattling off a dozen obnoxious posts about how stupid something or someone is, all while demonstrating how little you know about the subject?

It's almost like in different parts of the world, things are done differently. Weird concept, right? But yeah, I guess Germany is way better than backwards countries like Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United States, all of whom don't have compulsory national identity cards. But at least they're better off than ridiculous countries like Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom, who don't have national identity cards of any kind. Can you imagine something like that? How the **** do they even function????

Yeah, clearly anyone stupid enough not to carry ID shouldn't be allowed to vote. Sounds like you've got it all figured out. You're far more clever than those idiots, so they should be content to know that their democratic fate is in the hands of those as clever as you.

I did read who some of them are, but I still don't think it's that much of a burden to get an ID, and almost all of those people would have their lives improved in other ways by getting the ID, so it should be encouraged. And as I already said, I think it should be made even less of one, and it should be free.

People who suffer from crippling depression and have no support system are not going even want to try to vote. I imagine most of the people without IDs also have more important things to worry about than voting, and the time it takes them to vote could certainly be better spent in doing something else to improve the quality of their lives.

But it's a big stretch to say people "aren't allowed to vote" if the only thing required is to do something once every 10 years or so, which almost everyone else does for reasons other than voting.

What do you think about the idea of requiring every adult to have an ID, making it free, and making it as easy to get as possible? It could be done for young people at their schools so it wouldn't be any kind of burden. And in most states you already don't even have to go anywhere in person to get an ID renewed; it's certainly at least as easy as it is to vote in most locations.

I agree washoe was going hog wild there, but are you sure about this list?

I just googled for info about ID cards for the UK and France. Apparently the UK had one for awhile, but the requirement was repealed in 2011. Wikipedia says France does require some sort of ID though. Is this incorrect to your knowledge?

"The French national identity card is an official identity document consisting of an electronic ID-1 card bearing a photograph, name and address. While the identity card is non-compulsory, all persons must possess some form of valid government-issued identity documentation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...y_card_(France)

I don't know about requiring adults to have an ID, but it would make sense that if a state is going to require ID for voting, they remove as many barriers as possible. Or even if they're not, for that matter. I wonder how many states that are so eager to pass laws requiring ID to vote are also concerned about making IDs easier to obtain, and also if they have any data showing there is an actual voter fraud problem they're trying to solve.

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ies_by_country

I suspect there are some issues with the list, but I'm also confident that washoe's posts were completely ridiculous because many countries around the world do not have compulsory identity cards, and I expect Canada isn't alone in not even having a national identity card at all.

Except if the "demographic" is "people who have a specific fact wrong and would have changed their vote if they had it right". Not only should democracy lovers want them to be less likely to vote, they, themselves would probably wish they hadn't voted once apprised of the truth. (Note though that this idea is only ironclad if "democracy" trumps everything else. For instance, if you agree that those who would change their vote if they had their facts right should not be likely to vote, I ask what about someone who votes and then says shortly thereafter "oh my God I would never have voted for him if I knew he was black"?

















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Requiring an id card is bad imo but not having an id card is rapidly becoming a serious problem for an underclass. A very easy to get id card for all should be an objective of the left. As with many things the only real choice is who is going to lead - better us than them

Agreed.

I like burritos.

what's so ridiculous bobo? your confidence is making you misread.
you are required to possess an id
and to be able to show it to authorities upon request. if you are unable to show it to police they can hold you until youre identified. makes all sense. if you don't own an ID you get fined.


from your wiki link: red is compulsory, meaning required by law to own an ID and all of the above.

blue is not compulsory, and blue is the USA. why?

i say it again: the reasoning for this is:

it is super easy to own an ID,
if you don't own one you're unwilling to own one or are incapable of owing one= unwilling or unable to participate in society= not able to vote.

= not able to make a informed decision to vote = easy game.

why do you want to make it so complicated? that's the rules to play by as a society, if you can't play by the rules youre not part of it and cannot vote. that ruling always made sense to me and I never questioned it until yesterday. still don't question it.

washoe,

The same people in the United States who want voter ID laws also would be opposed to good-faith efforts to ensure that everyone has an ID.