So what your saying is no election has been fixed now ?
Though I am glad that Dems do not Gerry mander.
And how dare you ask someone to provide ID when they vote .

The one that I would give you is how long it takes to vote. No one should stand in line longer than 30 minutes to vote

https://www.vox.com/22961590/redistr...-2022-midterms

Who suggested this?

C'mon man, you can do better than this right wing talking point.

In case you're actually not clear on how this isn't as simple as "Durr, must have ID to vote, stupid libz!", here's some reading for you:

https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppo...ion-fact-sheet

if you had to pay 25 dollars to vote each time, would you think that was legal to the UNITED STATES constitution?

I am curious why you are saying it like that as if I changed my position when i said this...

the above is a comment in the current tense and yet you are addressing it, twice now, as if in the past tense.

Tell me why you are doing that and then I will address the rest of your post.

That's not at all similar to asking for an ID so people don't vote twice. Personally I don't think the ID thing is necessary, but it's far from being jus a fee for voting.

Locations that do require ID to vote shouldn't be charging fees for getting an ID though. I wonder if that idea has ever come up in debates about the subject, as I haven't heard that as a solution.

The ID thing is just a way Republicans look to make it harder to vote. It has nothing to do with vote security whatsoever.

They get lists of demographic things that tend to more common with blacks and Dem's then GOp voters and the target all of those specific things knowing that the more things you force a person to do, the bigger percent who will procrastinate and not bother to get it done.

So they used to accept all different forms of Identification and the elections were perfectly secure but they see, for instance people without drivers licenses in the Dem camp are more likely to have a Student Id, so they say 'Students Id's do not qualify', whereas GOP voters are more likely to having a Hunting Permit, so they say 'hunting permits qualify'.

Sunday voting restrictions are targeted for the same reason. As is allowing anyone to bring people food or water in line. They do all that while also doing things like closing voting offices in POC districts and closing places to get your license.

Worse now is Florida and Texas targeting and arresting people they say have voted illegally, most of whom their own gov'ts told them they could vote. This is a pure intimidation tactic and the SC supporting this shows how in the pocket they are. There simply is no way to reconcile that the State can arrest you for voting illegally because you have not 'paid all your fines off', but there is often no way to credibly get that information from the State that the fine was paid or not.

The States of Florida and Texas want those voters to know 'vote at your own risk as we will not tell you up front if your fines are paid off but we will arrest you after if you do'. Most people would not accept that gambit and just opt not to vote, which is exactly what they want.

ID's arent ever "free". even if they dont cost physical money, they require you to get transportation to a facility that is only open a small time period mostly during hours that people are working..

it's literally just a fee for voting.. there simply is no evidence of voter fraud to require IDs to vote. republicans have spent tens of millions of dollars to find evidence of voter fraud and they simply havent.



there's no reason that people can't be automatically registered to vote at 18.. the US government was perfectly capable of tracking me down almost 20 years ago when i turned 18 for loldraft ****...

I realize that is the reason the Republican leadership is pushing for ID voting, but the security issue is what gets the rank and file behind it. And requiring an ID isn't something that seems crazy to most reasonable people, as a poll tax is. I think requiring a state issued ID isn't unreasonable at all, as long as one can be gotten for free. The first time I voted without having to show ID I was very surprised and thought that it was a bad idea not to require it, and it had absolutely nothing to do with which party or demographic was more or less likely to have ID. There isn't much official business of any kind one can do without ID, plus things I do all the time that aren't really particularly important, like going into a bar or music club, especially as someone in my 50s who no one would take for being under 21.

It's not "literally" just a fee for voting. I know that there is very little evidence of widespread voter fraud, and I agree that it's not happening often. But honestly, who doesn't have a government issued ID? You talk about people working, but I have never been able to get any employment without showing my ID. And on the other side, I believe ID is required for most government assistance aimed mostly at people who don't have a job. I find it hard to believe that there are very many people who are able to make the time to vote who couldn't easily make the time to get an ID. And their lives overall will be much easier if they go ahead and get the ID.

Personally I think it would be a good idea to require every adult to have an ID. And make it as easy to get as possible and without a fee. In the state where I live it is almost automatic that you are registered to vote when you apply for a state ID. There is just a box to check, and I think the default was even to register (you have to check the box if you don't want to be registered to vote), although I may be remembering the default incorrectly.

Roughly 20 million US citizens.

ID is always required to vote where I'm from. how do you vote without it?
what is required?

imo it can only be passport or ID. it has to be an official document with a picture. no wonder your elections are such a mess if you don't require that.

what's sufficient now? social security number? lol

it's ok though.. they should just get one.. i mean who doesn't have to show their ID every day they go to work or every time they get government assistance.. oh wait, they just needed it that one time years ago when they signed up..

it's a completely made up solution to a conspiracy theory problem that people can hide their racism behind.

republicans spent tens of millions of dollars over the last 4 years trying to identify voter fraud and came up basically empty. it just simply isn't happening outside of a literal handful of NYPOST style gotcha setups.

Republican officials have explicitly said they want voter ID to suppress minority turnout, just about everyone besides Q-derpers agrees voter fraud isn't actually happening, but rank-and-file rightwing partisans are still all in favor of it. Makes you wonder.

In Britain you don't need anything at all, you just give your name at the desk. It helps if you have your poll card, sent through the mail, but you don't need it. All that matters is that, once they cross you off the list, no one else can vote in your place.

20 million adults? And how many of those do you believe care about voting?

No one here is disputing this.

But in this case (and it is a rare one), I think the Republican side (requiring ID to vote) is what most people would believe is the common sense side of the issue, as ID is required for pretty much anything official, especially things related to the government. I believe it would be more accurate to say that Democratic leadership does not want ID to be required because it may reduce turnout of those expected to vote mostly Democratic.

How do you get on the list?

It sounds like you live a pretty sheltered life.

To be clear, I don't think I know anyone that doesn't have ID, at least not that I'm aware of. But it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to understand that there are very marginalized members of our society for whom there are numerous hurdles to getting a government-issued ID. People who struggle to even get through every day and for whom the simplest things (from the perspective of those of us with far greater means) are a huge burden.

Holy ****, dude. Seriously???

Putting aside the ridiculous assumption (and possible callousness) there, think about this issue for a moment without the right/left implications. Forget which "side" this issue impacts more. If you can agree that those without ID are more likely to belong to specific demographics, what is the effect on democracy when you have policies in place that make some demographics more likely to vote than others? Never mind who they're more likely to support - you're not getting good input from important segments of the electorate. That should be concerning to everyone.

So, let's take the cynical view that both the Republicans AND the Democrats care about nothing more here than ensuring this issue is resolved in a way that gets them the most votes. Now let's think about democracy. Is it better to have more views represented at the voting booth, or less?

How did you register to vote? I didn't need ID when I registered. Just my address and SS#

Alright, so neither you nor I likely know anyone who doesn't have a government issued ID. So who exactly are these people? And exactly what is wrong with asking how many of them are interested in voting? I'm rarely interested in voting myself. I'm much more interested in being able to drive and to go into bars; if I had to choose either my right to vote or my government issued ID, I would take the second without question. There have been several times in my own life where I "struggle[d] to even get through every day and for whom the simplest things [were] a huge burden" because of crippling depression. One of those times a friend dragged me to a public mental health institution where I could meet doctors and social workers, and they helped me get under a government health insurance plan. If I hadn't had an ID, I'm pretty sure the social workers would have helped me with that as well.

There are always going to be some demographics more likely to vote than others. People of advanced age often have a hard time getting around, but they vote in larger numbers than any other demographic. I don't think the requirement of having an ID would affect many people who are likely voters. And I think it is much smaller than 20 million. I just found an NPR report from 2012 which estimated 3 million, and I would expect that number to be going down with time, not up.

I do know that anyone who has a job has to have a social security card, and even children need to get them to be claimed as dependents on their parents' tax returns.
It wouldn't be difficult for the government to start putting photos on SS cards and requiring everyone get one. Then this wouldn't even be an issue. Many western democracies have national ID cards, and I don't see anything wrong with the idea. Support for a national ID card seems to be stronger among Democrats than Republicans.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...d-card/619772/

The Atlantic article gives good reasons for a national ID card, but also estimates a much larger number of people without ID than did the NPR article I mentioned above.

How many millions would it take for you to care? Given that there's literally no upside to voter ID and it disenfranchises a shitload of adults, there's no reason other than blind partisanship to be for it.

Not sure, it depends on how many would be voting regardless.

And I think there are some good reasons to support it. Jimmy Carter supported it; do you think he is a blindly partisan Republican? I'm clearly not a Republican myself but you seem to be blind to that.

WTF? that's the dumbest system I've ever heard of. what are u, a tiny island with 5 inhabitants? lol

so if I was a brit and wanted to **** with my mates I could vote for them the monti python party? and then they turn up at the voting booth and get told they already voted? haha
that's funny. I could also vote for anyone I know who doesn't vote.
that's a funny system!