And we have the technology to make you informed. But yet time and time again you make uninformed points. That was the whole point. We can tell you to read on the history of public health or any other topic but its not some magic fix. You’ll still spout the same nonsense just like people will be fat after doctors tell them to lose weight. How much blame do I deserve for your posts? Not much more than doctors for not informing people that obesity is bad for you. Because just like you, they simply ignore and keep doing what they do.

And if you take the vaccine you’re a sheep and ushering in fascism. So what? It’s impossible to do anything without having some people criticize you. The vaccine is no different, but obviously the anti vax lies/propaganda are 1000x more responsible for middling vaccination rates than mean comments from pro vaxers.

You sound fat.

You sound like you give a **** what silly people think of you

OK, fatty.

but fatter

I assume perhaps you don't understand what this last sentence implies. Saying something is "the" problem is implying that it's the only problem, or by far the most important. While I agree there are some people that take things too far when it comes to being pro-vaccine, it's not the problem, it's a very small problem beside some other much larger ones.

Also:

This.


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Sounds like socialism…can’t have that! What’s with this newly found obsession with pointing out how unhealthy people are? While true…you can’t just tell everyone to shed their diseases *after* the 100 year pandemic has arrived. Let’s focus on things that have been proven to work…vaccines.

Lay off the Rogan podcasts my guy.

lozen is not entirely off base here.

There is a very destructive tendency to label any and all education and societal peer pressure around weight gain as 'shaming' and that is because no matter how it is done, some may fail to lose weight (or keep gaining) and thus feel shame and thus it is bad.

That has lead us to care about the feelings of a minority (soon to be a majority) over the health of the majority (soon to be the minority).


Few conscious decisions by humans are more impactful and destructive, and we see it play out in child obesity rates to dire consequences.

Societal pressure is arguably the greatest weapon against obesity rates soaring. The parents and peers letting all kids know that there is really no reason for the vast, vast, vast majority of them to be obese.

Instead because 1% may fail and feel shame we end up with soon to be 50% obese but tell ourselves we are doing better by them because all 50% are not being made to feel shame by the pressure of society to lose and maintain a healthy weight.

Too may see our success as the removal of shame from the 50% instead of getting that number to the 1% where it belongs and that is some seriously misguided fall out from what are distorted good intentions.

A similar parallel was undermining results within kids generally with the ill informed Self Esteem Movement. A belief that if you stopped recognizing winners and losers and instead awarded all for participation you could save the shame some individuals who tried and failed might feel.

Thankfully society has mostly backed away from that type realizing within psychology and other circles that the 'gift of failure' and 'gift of losing' may produce a short term shame but are necessary to becoming better and stronger in the future. Thus why they now try to define it as a 'gift'.

We still however have many (mostly leftists) who think everyone needs to be shielded from this negative feelings. It coddling and when the coddled multiple you just coddle them too and thus it is all ok.

This 'everyone already knows they are fat so everyone else should shut up about it' thinking is wrong and needs to be fought.

lol, if shaming fat people worked, there would be no fat kids.

How do you guys turn every thread into a clown show. Truly something special around these parts

not too long ago that was near the case.

we have about tripled the cases of obesity since the 70's for childhood obesity and this issue is on a scary trajectory line.

I thought the Mexicans have the fattest kids now.

That has more to do with sedentary lifestyles and processed foods than some change is children mocking fat kids.

I find that shaming shamers doesn't seem to work. Which is a shame.

OK, fatty.

Right but back on topic societal pressure and expectations are very important.

We have no issues making it abundantly clear to kids we expect them to strive for and achieve their best outcomes scholastically. We force them in to contests (testing) and rank them and provide benefits to those who do the best (scholarships, exemptions, etc).

All of that can and does cause stress on those who try and don't achieve as much but few think it is wrong.

We understand if you remove all societal pressure and expectations re schooling kids will fail and do worse in much higher percentages. The same is true re obesity.

Trolly might say 'i don't agree with them shaming kids such that they improve overall educational outcomes either' but that would just make you wrong as it is not shaming and the outcome is a net positive.

It would put you amongst those in the failed Self Esteem Movement though. So if that is the company you want to keep?

QP, we shame you for your bad takes all the time, but that hasn’t made your takes any better.

Very ok txs , endorphins are flying about

How was yours? Did anyone you hate die?

LOL.

The bad take is you always trying to introduce the word shaming for any attempt to address the subject.

It is a purposely bad faith tactic meant to silence the issue and demonize anyone who would raise it.

Trolly is a troll; he is a bad faith poster by definition. (Although often a very funny bad faith poster imo.)

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Shaming those who choose to not get vaccinated is fair game it seems.

I sometimes think Trolly does not think thru his posts in an attempt to fire in a quip.

In this case his 'try to discuss obesity and I will call you a Fat Shamer' which you see increasingly and inevitability on topics like this is not just an attempt to shame but also to demonize any one who might raise it so that it just becomes not worth raising as most people, of good faith, don't want that label levelled at them.

So as a reply to 'there is not a will to engage in and discuss the issue of increasing obesity', if you just start crying out 'Fat Shamer' you inadvertently make their point.

If they have citizens like in the US who are going out of their way to purposely march in to places unvaccinated and to then verbally and sometimes physically assault the staff, I have no issues with this type of 'spot check' being the alternative.

Especially if it elevates the low paid front line workers having to become the police of this and the flashpoint for anti-VaxTard rage.

Via spectator index:

"Greece considers those who are aged above sixty and don't take booster shot within seven months as not fully vaccinated and bans the unvaccinated from public spaces"

At least one country is finally taking some real action. If you aren't vaccinated and updated on all booster shots you shouldn't even be allowed outside.