Smallpox:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco..._Massachusetts

For that one the state actually fined people for not getting it. Now you just can’t eat in every restaurant you want.

You’re welcome.

lol owned

He went even wider with it and didn't just give you America, but the whole history of the planet. All 6000 years of it!

I figured you'd go with the well-known case with George Washington and the inoculation against smallpox. I mean, it was merely a conscription army fighting for its survival and not an entire "society", so maybe he could semantics away that one. But you went for a deeper cut, well done.

How do I have to worry about posting far right propaganda when the videos are 1) the premier of New South Wales and 2) people on the street meeting their families across state lines?

How could far right propaganda ever be an issue when you can literally see exactly what you're posting?

Do you think propaganda is all deep fakes and cartoon characters?

Of course not, but it's also not unaltered video actual news events.

You're the one who has done it, more than once, so you tell me!

Text can be easily massaged, taken out of context, have relevant details omitted or included, etc. etc., to make a subject say what they did not or lead one to a conclusion that doesn't fit the actual facts. Kinda like what I did to you in the first quote of this post.

Video is a bit trickier, but those who have delved into Andy Ngo, Project Veritas, et al., have demonstrated how they can make slick propaganda out of video.

To be clear, I'm not saying that this (pretty damn benign) video of people across a border is a fake, or anything to that effect.

You seem to be alluding at an argument that if someone is giving a list of accepted facts, or a database of pure data, or totally unedited video, then it does not matter who the source is because the material stands on its own. But it is actually very easy to take any set of true statements or data and bend them to "reach" "conclusions" that look good to your random Twitter moron but aren't at all a reflection of reality.

And you don't get that is exactly the problem.

You have certain biases. I hope you would not deny that.

And due to that you end up ALWAYS pulling info from the same dishonest, manipulative sources trolling to sucker in guys just like you by feeding you confirmation bias material.

You are literally the person they are stalking and know they can easily con, as you are NOT discerning about your sources. You often don't realize they have taken things out of context or are using select quotes as click bait.

You have a certain obliviousness to all of that and that leads you to the same place of only ever using the same type of sources.

LOL Cuepee.

Can can you explain what makes those videos dishonest?

If not can you consider shutting up?

Do you realize that we already went down this exact path in the Afghanistan thread where you went after me for posting a Good Morning America clip?

Do you know how silly that makes you?

GMA clip= dishonest
Video of NSW premier= dishonest
Video of people on the street = dishonest
lol. You guys are jokes.

It's been explained to you over and over and over again.

Montrealcorp just answered it a few posts upthread and you "conveniently" skip over it with no reply pretending it is has not been answered. When you claimed I did not answer it prior, I requoted my post showing I did and that others agreed with my answer.

In the end you keep saying 'I don't agree with you guys' and then acting as if that means we did not answer or that we have to give you an answer that satisfies you.

Fact is, FACT, everyone can see you are an easy to manipulate dupe that is ripe for the picking and targeted by those with agendas as an easy mark.

Heck you did not even understand upthread how a snippet of a statement can be both factually correct but quoted specifically out of context as a manipulation tool. You kept repeating over and over 'but... but... is it not an accurate quote' as if you could just not comprehend how both could be true. How click bait Headlines do that all the time.

I thought facts weren't facts and that they can be manipulated-- and that that's why sources matter? Which is it?

It is not surprising that you do not understand what propaganda is. The most persuasive propaganda utilizes factual information presented to support a bullshit premise.

This is the hard hitting post that I conveniently skipped over? It's not exactly a super devastating argument, Cuepee.

yes obviously things can be taken out of context-- which is why I posted the complete near hour long video of the NSW premier for people to watch if they want.

We seem to be at quite the impasse! I don't think further argumentation is gonna win us any particular laurels.

Can we argue about COVID vaccine mandates instead? That would be more fun and it wouldn't be the world v luckbox.

If you want to me to say that unaltered footage of news events can also be propaganda then I will concede that point.

Well then maybe you should stop defending obvious right-wing propaganda on the basis of “but it’s unaltered news footage so it’s not propaganda.”

I see what you did there.

If the only thing that makes it "obvious propaganda" to you is the source then you need to try a lot harder in attacking it

Showing how ridiculous the lockdowns are there that people have to meet across barricades is not "obvious right wing propaganda"...unless it's the right wingers that are for some basic human freedom.

But they are not-- it's actually the right wingers that like the lock downs because you know-- they're authoritarians.

See you still do not know or understand why a statement can be a fact, ...can be true ... but also be part of a manipulation.

You are totally clueless and still fighting that click bait headlines exist and are often key statements by politicians or others quoted honestly but stripped of their context to make it seem like they were speaking to something else.

You say 'but... but... how??? It is an accurate quote' which is exactly why you are such a rube.

I would bet 90% of people understand this and you do not.

He literally does not understand this and is struggling with it mightily.

I mean he might eventually come around to it (probably pretend that he knew it all along) if enough of us explain it to him but he has been arguing against this for weeks now.

You spend so much time and so many pages arguing against my point only to concede it later.

(Generally then followed up with a pretense that you never really meant or were saying that)

Probably this is more due to your complete inability to communicate and engage in discussion.

You said I NEVER respond. THAT is the lying part.

Moot point; you're on ignore now.

I think you mean mute point

Sorry guys I try too .
But seem making it simple -> it’s not a devastating argument enough .
It’s too simple or not hard enough, it’s making circle conversation.
Nothing much can be accomplished here .

Probably it's just too dumb.

I think my favorite argument from you guys is that we need to vet all twitter accounts we post to make sure we're not inadvertently posting right wing propaganda.

Because you can't just look at the content of a tweet and tell for yourself what the message is apparently. Literally all critical thought is out the window. If it's an approved source then it's ok and if it not, then it doesn't matter what they're saying-- even if it's something as simple as a video of a politician or people on the street.

Then there's the whole question of whether or not people arguing against lockdowns, and for the ability of people to cross state lines (even without official permission) is actually right wing to begin with. I'm going to go ahead and argue that it is not.