[US Politics] Why do people support liberal policy when the results are poor? - Page 9 - Politics and Society -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Right, and when one doesn't allow some people bail by design, that clashes with an absolute principle of "innocent until proven guilty", at least when you combine it with not jailing innocent people.

Don't get me wrong, I think that such an absolutist stance is absurd, which is why there's a compromise that the vast majority of people are fine with.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 08:24 PM

#203

PointlessWords

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 4,681

Mental health facility isn’t jail nor is it meant to operate as one. People need help, criminals most of all.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 08:27 PM

#204

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,956

Ah, so it's OK to lock innocent people up in a mental health facility. OK then. Good thing there's no potential problems with giving people that kind of power.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 08:36 PM

#205

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Not to belabour the (obvious) point, but the primary purpose of bail is to ensure the defendant's appearance in court. As such, bail has to be onerous enough given the defendant's personal circumstances to provide an incentive not to flee, especially when facing a significant period of incarceration upon conviction. By necessity, this requirement means some defendants won't be able to make bail.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:04 PM

#206

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

As a leftist, are you at all worried about giving the police state unprecedented power to lock up citizens on mere suspicion?

for almost a decade, Trolly has called you a Trump supporting racist conservative. like he knew, he KNEW in your heart of hearts that was what you are. and now he is calling you a leftist.

the liberal mind is amazing and scary.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:14 PM

#207

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

Victor, what do you think the word "liberal" means? It seems to be a rather versatile part of your vocabulary, liberally used in all sorts of exotic and unpredictable ways.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:22 PM

#208

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

Victor, what do you think the word "liberal" means? It seems to be a rather versatile part of your vocabulary, liberally used in all sorts of exotic and unpredictable ways.

you dont think Trolly is a liberal?

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:23 PM

#209

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

oh wait, you think leftists are liberal?

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:25 PM

#210

Luckbox Inc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61,287

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

Victor, what do you think the word "liberal" means? It seems to be a rather versatile part of your vocabulary, liberally used in all sorts of exotic and unpredictable ways.

Mostly it's going to be hypocrites, people who think their **** doesn't stink (e.g. hypocrites), people who think they are better than everyone else, and people who worship power.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:26 PM

#211

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,956

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

Victor, what do you think the word "liberal" means? It seems to be a rather versatile part of your vocabulary, liberally used in all sorts of exotic and unpredictable ways.

A question...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

you dont think Trolly is a liberal?

...answered with a question...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

oh wait, you think leftists are liberal?

...and another question.

You'd think if you were going to make an assertion like "the liberal mind is amazing and scary", you'd be able to answer a simple question about how you define the word "liberal".

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:30 PM

#212

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

oh wait, you think leftists are liberal?

It just seems you use it as a catch-all insult, as a teenager might. Don't like a particular fashion label? That's liberal, bro.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:32 PM

#213

Luckbox Inc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61,287

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

A question...

...answered with a question...

...and another question.

You'd think if you were going to make an assertion like "the liberal mind is amazing and scary", you'd be able to answer a simple question about how you define the word "liberal".

You've got some weird thing about answering questions with questions as if that isn't how argument and discussion works.

You realize that it is possible to determine the intent behind someone's question and respond to it without answering it directly?

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:35 PM

#214

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

I dont know why it is so hard to follow. my liberal classification was of Trolly. so, in this instance, my definition is Trolly. that should be self evident. and I dont think that Trolly or anyone who reads his posts would disagree.

if you want me to write a treatise on liberalism, well, send me the check and I will get you a few hundred pages in a few years. otherwise you can just read the long entry in wikipedia.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:37 PM

#215

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I was genuinely curious if Victor uses "liberal" in the same way that everyone used "gay" when I was a teenager (dating myself a bit here).

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:41 PM

#216

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

I was genuinely curious if Victor uses "liberal" in the same way that everyone used "gay" when I was a teenager (dating myself a bit here).

poor oppressed liberals.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:41 PM

#217

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

Except my question wasn't about Trolly at all. It was about your skeletal vocabulary.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:49 PM

#218

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,992

He was forced to leave the rest of the page empty, drew a picture of a cat and cursed the creature with the following words:

“Hic non defectus est, sed cattus minxit desuper nocte quadam. Confundatur pessimus cattus qui minxit super librum istum in nocte Daventrie, et consimiliter omnes alii propter illum. Et cavendum valde ne permittantur libri aperti per noctem ubi cattie venire possunt.”

Here is nothing missing, but a cat urinated on this during a certain night. Cursed be the pesty cat that urinated over this book during the night in Deventer and because of it many others [other cats] too. And beware well not to leave open books at night where cats can come.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 09:52 PM

#219

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

I think someone laced your joint with PCP again, bro.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 10:02 PM

#220

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

Except my question wasn't about Trolly at all. It was about your skeletal vocabulary.

ok, so maybe take it to the off topic thread I guess.

the discussion was about Trolly (a proud liberal who would not be insulted by the moniker) switching his designation of Luckbox from racist Trumper to leftist.

in the context of this discussion, my definition of liberal is Trolly.

if you want further clarification of broader meanings of liberal, well wikipedia is free.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 10:07 PM

#221

Luckbox Inc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61,287

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

Trolly was being sarcastic. He thinks that he's a leftist who votes Democrats and that I (despite only voting once and doing everything I can to avoid supporting systems of power in the US) am on the right.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 10:09 PM

#222

d2_e4

certifiable moron

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Despite being as subtle as a sledgehammer to the nuts, Victor still somehow managed to miss the sarcasm.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 10:17 PM

#223

Victor

banned

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73,070

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I actually dont think so. libs hate leftists far more than they hate conservatives.

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2_e4

Despite being as subtle as a sledgehammer to the nuts, Victor still somehow managed to miss the sarcasm.

so you just ask inane questions like this for shits and giggles? well, you got bobbo far better than you got me.

Quote:

Victor, what do you think the word "liberal" means? It seems to be a rather versatile part of your vocabulary, liberally used in all sorts of exotic and unpredictable ways.

heres my definition of a liberal. someone who hates Trump but supports jailing immigrants, jailing minorities, stealing from the masses, stealing from overexploited countries, endless war.

so basically, a liberal holds every policy position that you and Trolly hold, in other words, a liberal is an utter piece of ****.

Quote

09-25-2023 , 10:18 PM

#224

barney big nuts

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 1,991

So what exactly is Victor?

I know he likes Bernie so maybe a progressive?

Liking Bernie seems to be the only thing Victor has going for him and his weird belief system